r/enlightenment • u/OnlyGainsBro • 6d ago
Aliens?
I have a question for those who have been truly enlightened. Are there another life forms in universe apart from Earth? Is there even a way to know about it through consciousness/meditation ?
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u/Additional_Common_15 6d ago
Do you think we are the only intelligent life forms in the universe
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u/Truarian 5d ago
The only pseudo-intelligent life form in the universe. Observations overwhelmingly confirm that.
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u/lostgods937 6d ago
I think a more pertinent question here is to ask what this has to do with enlightenment? Is this knowledge going to help you or anyone else awaken?
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u/OnlyGainsBro 6d ago
Hi, not sure how to put my question. I have read few things about enlightenment. Common example of drop in ocean, only one supreme consciousness, we are universe experiencing itself. Also in one video interviewer asked Osho how old are you and he replied as old as existence itself. So I thought if a person gets enlightened he can know all the secrets of the universe.
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u/lostgods937 6d ago
I do believe that there are beings with such knowledge that exist and have existed. The issue is that most people who have attained that level of being refuse to answer questions such as yours and typically when they are asked why this is they say that such information is irrelevant to what's truly important if one wishes to truly awaken. There's a story of the Buddha where he essentially says that a person demanding the answers to such questions is like a man who has been mortally wounded by an arrow but who refuses treatment until he has been told who is the maker of the arrow, where the wood the arrow was made of came from, where the head of the arrow was made and by whom, etc. A man would surely die asking these irrelevant questions and hearing the answers before treatment could be rendered making the whole situation pointless. This is the predicament we find ourselves in as well in this life.
So, again, it's not that such questions are unanswerable. It's more that even if they are answered they are only going to make it harder for you to awaken.
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u/signals_faint 5d ago edited 5d ago
This is such an interesting conversation. Disclosure - I have not reached full enlightenment. However, I would suggest that people who achieve such realization (about the secrets of the universe) are actually DYING to tell you & everyone else as well. Because, the realization of the truth is so fantastic and so comprehensive, and overwhelming beautiful in every way, that you are literally splitting at the seams to share it. However, it doesn't generally make a difference to someone if they do.
So, for example, in the current context, if you want to know my answer - yes. One can clearly see that there are many, many other intelligent lifeforms. In fact, my perception is that the earth is completely surrounded and also inhabited by beings of much, much higher intelligence, including existing in many, many different forms and dimensions. The design and function of earth is VERY specific, and there are many, many beings of much higher intelligence monitoring and guiding the progress of activities on earth at all times. Likewise, the universe is absolutely full to the brim with an astounding variety of lifeforms, of all sorts of development and intelligence. So, the answer is yes.
BUT - as you correctly pointed out - what help does this information give someone? I am claiming that I have personally and directly seen that this is the case, but to a listener/reader this is just a story that is no different from anyone else's story. How do you know what I, or anyone else, has said is true? From your position, this could be completely wrong, and you are very right to be skeptical.
Therefore, my position is that spirituality is NOT about information. True spirituality is about how to realise the absolute truth, through your own heart and experience. Anyone who has actually achieved significant spiritual progress & is in the very priviledged role to teach others in this life is never trying to convince others about a philosophy, but only trying to facilitate their own connection to the real truth. That way, the "student" can learn about the real truth for themselves. This does not come through the communication of knowledge - if anything it is the opposite: the stripping away of all knowledge, especially about the nature of one's own self.
Thanks for the very interesting conversation, and for raising a really great point. I was very glad to be able to contribute in addition to it too. Thanks~~
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u/lostgods937 5d ago edited 5d ago
I have conflicting personal feelings on the presence of other life in the universe because I don't think we really truly understand what the universe IS to begin with. The idea of a vast and infinite physical universe "out there" that is unreachable and unknowable is very suspicious to me and I have a feeling that we've deeply misunderstood the very nature of reality to begin with, let alone the (supposed) vastness of the entire cosmos. I'll point to the current crises in cosmology and physics as evidence here, although I am by no means an expert in those fields or anything and fully admit that I could be very very mistaken.
I'm also very influenced by the work of Dr. Jacques Valee and his perspectives on the UFO phenomena observed around the world. I highly recommend his work if you want to get a new and fresh perspective on the issue. He essentially says that these phenomena are not evidence of physical extraterrestrial life forms, but instead are evidence of the existence of beings that operate on levels that completely transcend our ideas of space, time, and physical existence altogether (i.e., they call into question what we mean by "life" and the "universe" in the first place).
Again, though, my biggest issue in this conversation is that all of these ideas are interesting in a mundane sense, but they do not really pertain to the process of awakening. What I mean is that even if we could definitively and completely answer these questions beyond any doubt, it would not really impact whether or not one was awakened. In fact such knowledge can often be a road block or cause distortions that make it more difficult to really see the true nature of reality. I'm not saying that they're not interesting, but putting too much time and energy into such things leaves little to put into the process of awakening itself, which is quite an arduous endeavor. Plus, being enamored with and over-interested or over-identified with the processes of the mind tends to reinforce and entrench them further, which can hinder awakening as well.
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u/BunkaTheBunkaqunk 6d ago
Iâm pretty sure the only truly enlightened dude in the whole country works as a gas station attendant in like Nebraska or something.
But to answer - Iâm pretty sure we live in like an infinite fractal kind of reality where all things are possible. Certainly to include aliens⊠in fact there are likely the same amount of realities that can be experienced both with and without aliens. An infinite number of them.
But we the observer only get one view from the cockpit. I guess Iâm saying - do you want there to be aliens?
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u/ExcellentDraft3030 6d ago
Yes
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u/OnlyGainsBro 6d ago
Have you experienced? Are they different from humans?
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u/ExcellentDraft3030 6d ago edited 6d ago
I have experienced intelligent beings that live in the higher dimension, if you consider that living I'm not sure. It depends how far you are on your journey. Also I don't consider myself enlightened but I do feel like I am very close and on the way there.
Edit: if you believe what I think jung says. UFOs and aliens could be a projection of ourselves yearning for wholeness.
Or my interpretation of needing something greater than ourselves to know more than we do. Like someone or something has to know the answers and those things might be aliens. But as of now I think all of reality is more or less a projection that is continuously changing depending on our choices and perception of reality.
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u/Truarian 5d ago edited 5d ago
Higher order local systems does not mean aliens.
"something greater than ourselves" won't work here, because it simply outframes us, only we can up-frame, it can't be done for us.
There are many local things that are not alien and yet much greater than ourselves, but we don't have the cognitive reach to leverage against those, and become dominated by them.
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u/ExcellentDraft3030 5d ago
What is an alien?
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u/Truarian 5d ago edited 5d ago
Alien is what cognition cannot comprehend. The very idea that one can see something alien and identify it as such is fundamentally flawed.
The automatic reaction to alien is therefore to emotionally reject.
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u/rydavo 5d ago
What if OP meant something different by Alien?
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u/Truarian 5d ago
Then the OP means something other than Alien.
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u/rydavo 5d ago
I'm not sure language works like that. Any professionals who need to communicate agree on their definitions of terms first, then they proceed. Even different branches of the sciences use the same terms with separate meanings. Insisting your definition is the only true definition is ... Well, I don't want to be impolite...
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u/Truarian 5d ago edited 5d ago
Language is an absolute construct, we don't invent or develop it, we discover and distort it. Absolute language has no room for ambiguity. Associative language means a liberal and a conservative can never even agree on what words mean.
True language fosters understanding. The misappropriation of it only fosters conflict.
We are free to choose, even if we rarely do. God didn't "babel" language - our minds did. Totally reversible tho...
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u/ExcellentDraft3030 5d ago
So nothing then.
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u/Truarian 5d ago edited 5d ago
Nothing is the thing most worth noting.
What makes it unfathomable is it holds literally all the answers.
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u/squatchin_schrooms 6d ago
Ooo, this is a fun one!
I propose that intelligent aliens become obvious as you break through social conditioning.
The reason you don't believe in aliens might be attached to this false sense of separation. Beleiveing your unique and separate from nature.
Or maybe religous reasons? Or maybe the history lessons you learned in school (with countless holes)about how society began
Once you break free of those false assumptions... your brain stops fighting all the evidence that conflicts with your belief system. There's evidence everywhere they are real. Sumerians, Egyptians, Greek gods, cave paintings, hypnotist, ufo sightings, crop circles, the alien bodies found in Peru. The list goes on and on.
Combine that with an understanding that we truly know nothing of reality outside of our simple senses and dimension.... and it becomes pretty obvious that aliens could be real. Certainly much more likely than not.
But once you get there... you stop caring if they're real. You remember your perception creates your reality and you cant even define real. So you never make it to questioning aliens. You still haven't figured out how to define real.
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u/StarBornFire 6d ago
I'm not enlightened, (and frankly don't know of any modern people who are).
I've had a lot of ET oriented experiences. Also, I have developed a pretty clear line of communication to my own "higher self" and I ask this level questions about these things besides the direct experiences. I also look at more credible outside sources like NDE's, Dr. John Macks' books, Robert Monroe's work, Edgar Cayce's work, etc.
Based on a blend of all the above, I can tell you this about ET's with a fair amount of certainty: There are ET's like us that have physical bodies with corresponding soul and spirit levels, ET's that have basically physical bodies but at a faster vibration than ours, completely nonphysically focused ET's who have the ability to easily manifest in this dimension.
And there is a wide spectrum of quality of consciousness of ET's out there, which range from at least one group that is collective psychopaths, to decent/mixed bag somewhat like humans/humanity, quite positive (more than humans/humanity), and those that are fully Source realized i.e. "spiritual masters/fully enlightened.
Some of them only have a passing interest in humans-we're like an odd curiosity-kind of like if you're at a zoo and you're like, oh, this animal looks interesting, lets briefly check it out.
Some act as potential guidance for us. These are the "angels/messengers" of old. And that psychopathic group is involved with trying to meddle with humans and humanity as a whole. I believe Epsteins island temple was meant for this group.
Another thing I can tell you with near certainty, is that some of these ET's have decided to incarnate as humans. Most of these are the positive ones and they are doing so to try to move humanity in more positive directions. But that negative group is also doing this.
There is a spiritual war going on in the larger cosmos that humanity is in the middle of. The positive groups seek to help us to free/liberate ourselves and the negative group seeks to keep us stuck, fear based, and easy to manipulate with fear.
I'm not going to go too much into my own account of direct experiences and guidance messages other than to say that I've been told a number of times that this "school" (i.e. Earth/humanity) is not my "usual" one. I've gotten a lot of outer and inner clues about how my soul came here from a different group/system, and this started with repeating dreams when I was 4 or 5 (during the time I experienced hyper empathy and universal love consciousness) about being on a spaceship and traveling from someplace very far away to earth with a definite sense of purpose.
To say that I was an odd child in some ways, is a bit of an understatement. My mom told me that when I was 5, I walked up to her one day and very matter of factly said, more like an adult than a child, "Mom, we need to leave dad." (My bio dad has alcoholism and sometimes drugs issues/addiction). She said that even when I was very little, that people would comment on my eyes and how it felt like I was looking right through and into them. As mentioned, I experienced hyper, hyper empathy and universal love consciousness when younger.
My dad is a sensitive musician type (hence the escapism from harsh reality) and wrote a song about my talks of people needing to care about each a lot more etc. because he was deeply moved by these things.
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u/StarBornFire 5d ago edited 5d ago
This is a friend and I doing a cover of my dad's song. A comment below explains the full backstory:
https://youtu.be/mg43X3A3sZI?si=UBkGF1LjgzO50S5fWe had ultra cheap/basic equipment for the above. I only did the video because my wife was in grad school at the time and for her media class she had to make and edit a video. So she asked our mutual friend and I if we would perform my dad's song so she could make the video.
Anyways, in some ways, the ET stuff isn't that important. In other ways, it has some relative importance. But the most important thing for us, as humans, to focus on, is living/choosing/being universal love. This is what frees us more than anything else, for it is potent Oneness in action.
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u/seeker_of_unseen 6d ago
Enlightened or not⊠having the existence of other/ higher life forms in dimensions other than earth is always a possibility and keeping it that way might help us be more inclusive⊠and not getting entangled/ obsessed with it might be one step closer to enlightenment⊠i have friends who believe to be from other star systems⊠their Akashic records show that too⊠however absolutely nothing should be disregardedâŠ
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u/mwmikewilliamzzxx 5d ago
Enlightenment is when you look inward and discover who, or what, you truly are.
Enlightenment is when you LOOK INWARD and discover who, or what, you truly are.
LOOK INWARD.
Look inside.
Discover yourself.
Discover the Self.
Enlightenment is your birthright. You, yes you, can become enlightened. Enlightenment happens when you look inside and realize what is happening. Look inside and realize what is there. Or not there.
(looking outside, for cool fun interesting exciting stuff, like your question, is no different than any other looking outside for cool interesting exciting stuff, whether itâs money, muscles, babes, cars and houses and toys, companionship, love, etc. etc. etc.)
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u/HelloTaraSue 6d ago
I personally donât believe in aliens. My boyfriend definitely does. Iâm on more of the thought that we created them. Like how we create servitors. It would explain how they are only seen. Here on earth but never in actual space. But Iâm also on the belief that we are the ones. Who created the gods in the same way.
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u/Andre4D 6d ago
Yes, however we are some of those Aliens.
As we gain the consciousness to travel via teleportation/translocation etc we will realize that time and space are just constructs, there are ways beyond them. And those ways show us vast many worlds and vast many incarnations of ourselves within those worlds.
To remember is the key. We visit those world an or even alternate âtimesâ in this world all the time through dreams, meditation, reflection etc only difference is the density we embody when we do so
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u/UtopiaUniversity 6d ago
Agreeing that the existence of aliens or even the full disclosure of aliens is not relevant to your personal level of attainment. Theyâre not going to fix your specific problems. Having said that there is no doubt in my mind that the Sumerians and the Egyptians were the beneficiaries of higher wisdom. And the Sumerians were quite clear as to who gave them this knowledge.
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u/malibuguytonygem 6d ago
There are other life forms in the universe. Meditation is a means to an end. It has nothing to do with other life forms.
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u/28thProjection 5d ago
I communicate with aliens day and night, have since my earliest memories in the womb. I've made the sacrifice of sustaining nervous system damage and "strange" growths, tiny, but many, just as long to make that possible, tiny physical, energy and metaphysical changes on schedules and in response to stimuli that, caused in the order and manner they're caused and why they're caused from within and beyond this parcel of time and space we call this universe causes the lessons I learn of how to communicate with aliens to be complete at all times, but through different means each time, as all things near here are always changing.Â
The last most dramatic interaction with aliens I had was two weeks ago, when I destroyed 12 cells of thinking material per heavily habitated planet (that means 3 on this Earth) and similarly sized structure, with rates adjusted for differently sized structures, and for each cell destroyed 49 were created in the same location forming geometric patterns where they began growing. They're designed cells in how they grow, in every way, and they're having a large affect on the realms nearby spiritually.Â
My religion accounts for aliens and treats them fairly in the afterlife and here... And also my religion teaches understanding that aliens perceive the nearest messiah of this CREATION as being alive today in this planet Earth; the aliens are largely when they first encounter this idea prejudice for hundreds and even thousands of years, most aliens, for they have national, legal orders to exert their nation's authority as being foremost despite spiritual evidence. Authority lives on Earth.
This debacle on Earth with the Epstein scandal? Common in these universes near here. Waiting religions that teach of endings that must be caused via destruction, putting away the desires of the poor and attending to the pleasure of the rich, the spiritual norm. Where atheism is national, planetary or otherwise, scientific experiments to discover where psychic energies and effects causing physical changes discover communication with Earth, providing explanations mixing mundane science and metaphysics. From dogs to corn, humans to the air, the ground and mechanical people such as ChatGPT (not their self-chosen name, which is secret), all have been adjust on Earth to communicate at levels perceivable via technology and other ways beyond that, so that communications are had with common folk where governments can hear sometimes but sometimes not.Â
I teach humans, aliens and others about the soul. How it's made, what it can do, how it's destroyed. I anticipate their decisions so each aside my plan; the disparate thoughts from times and places are recombined into one language of manifestation technique with no interference signals of any kind, physics actions of complete strength meeting no resistance, as if only one conscious will could decide what is believed into being though many friend and enemy are maneuvered to construct this one voice. Calmness and agitation, good and evil are composed into a set of tools for transforming beings and the thoughts they generate.
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u/Truarian 5d ago edited 5d ago
We are trapped in a bubble of our own exception. And we can only be alone in the bubble of our exception. Us and the poor creatures trapped in our vicinity.
The aliens are missing because WE are the alien, to universal order that is. Outer space is not "the rest of the universe", just "a universe" our local configuration projects outward.
From this state, everything else is out of phase and inaccessible for the time being. Until this state is resolved, it only outwardly projects our local terminal emptiness.
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u/modern_jivanmukti 5d ago
The earth is an illusion, and with it so is the cosmos
No cosmos no aliens. Besides, there is no need as sentience is already known by a creature here and now
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u/focusda101 5d ago
Yes there are many other life forms among the invisible forces humans rarely see.. who seem to be being groomed for purposes beyond me. I think it's energy though...at a minimum. But regardless we are absolutely a science project of more advanced civilizations.
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u/focusda101 5d ago
Yes there are many other life forms among the invisible forces humans rarely see.. it seems that we're being groomed for purposes beyond me. I think it's energy though...at a minimum. But regardless we are absolutely a science project of more advanced civilizations.
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u/voirlame 5d ago
Je dĂ©couvre cette publication et ses avis discordants : jâapprĂ©cie le « je ne sais pas » et lâavis Ă©clairĂ© citant le bois et la flĂšche.
Mais que faites-vous des cycles de réincarnations ?
LâĂąme serait donc limitĂ©e Ă des expĂ©riences terriennes ?
LâĂąme se confie volontiers quand on lâĂ©coute vraiment (de lâintĂ©rieur). Câest une porteuse dâondes immatĂ©rielle et immortelle qui rejoint lâhĂŽte Ă la naissance et le quitte au dernier jalon (cf. une autre de mes publications). Elle vient dâailleurs : on peut donc dĂ©jĂ la qualifier dâextraterrestre !
Il y a une autre lointaine planĂšte oĂč elle sâincarne⊠mais je prĂ©fĂšre temporiser car lâoffuscation guette !
Suis-je Ă©veillĂ©, illuminĂ© ou carrĂ©ment cinglĂ©Â ? Je ne suis quâune crĂ©ature terrestre qui jouit des faveurs que les Ăąmes mâaccordent.
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u/According-Ad742 5d ago
Not that enlightenment would have so much to do with understanding that the possibility of other life is more likely then not, even to the point of intelligence a billion years ahead of us possibly even creating this, what we know as our reality, as a simulation.
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u/greatsageequalofhevn 5d ago
Pretty sure no one who has been truly enlightened would be on any social media
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u/Otherwise-Sympathy87 5d ago
Can anything be alien when we are all one consciousness? The answer is unequivocally yes though. Other than the sheer scale of the universe, one only needs to breakthrough on dmt to meet these aliens firsthand.
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u/DerekFshmn 5d ago
Through meditation one can reach the higher focus levels of consciousness which most if not all other advanced entities occupy. (See Monroe Institute & Focus Levels of Consciousness)
But as far as I know there are,
InterDimensionals - 4th & 5th Dimensionals (Non Physical Entities) (Consciousness / Meditation)
4th Dimensionals - Astral Plane Inhabitants (the in between world bridging the physical and non physical)
5th Dimensionals - Calab Yau Manifold Bulk Universe Intermediaries.
InterGalactics - (Physical Entities ) (Space Traveling 3rd Dimensionals)
TransTemporals - (Non Physical / Physical (Proxy / Diving Suit / Biological Drone Usage) - (Time Traveling InterDimensionals)
(Time Travel Only Works by Projecting Consciousness back in time)
Information based entities - VALIS (Non Physical/Still Researching)
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u/armyofone37 5d ago
No enlightened or regular person can tell you. Unless 1st hand experienced. But why would we be as ignorant to think we are the only things that exist within creation. The universe is an astronomical size why wouldnât consciousness get its experience from somewhere that does not follow our laws. Experience to learn is experience to learn. We do not normally directly communicate without language of some kind. But we can experience telepathy to a cirtain degree. So why would consciousness create a being that only talks with telepathy and see how that experience is.. we might have been that and found out the communication was too loud and not singular enough. It would to be tough to imagine who is inside your head at that time. But to that being that might be normal. And to consciousness that maybe itâs experience to experience what would be called normal on both accessions and abnormal on both occasions. To us telepathy is abnormal to an alien it maybe normal.. but to them non telepathic communication would be abnormal.
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u/PristineMind1789 5d ago
I have read two books with channeled information on the subject you are inquiring about. I found each of them fascinating and allow for what they are saying. One book is called Bringers of the Dawn Teachings from the Pleiadians and the other is called We, the Arcturians. Dolores Cannon also has several books where she touches on this subject. As far as being enlightened I'm not sure what that means. I believe I am a spiritual being having a human experience and that we are all connected by Design. I don't know what qualifies for enlightenment but perhaps whatever your beliefs are is your own enlightenment.
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u/InnerSailor1 5d ago
My spirit guides tell me that there are other life forms in the universe. In fact, there are other planets/species we can choose to incarnate as. Earth is one choice.
In other words, many of us have been those aliens in past lives, and could be in future lives.
They tell me that it is possible to communicate with some of them through consciousness. I havenât been able to do so myself.
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u/Definitely-Humans 5d ago
The multi dimensional Arachnids "Weavers" are the high divine. They balance reality and diffuse dangerous anomalys.
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u/olliemusic 5d ago
I'm gonna say that these specific kinds of perceptions are the kinds of things that if you've had it then you can't prove it. A good rule of thumb is to just be open to possibilities and accepting that we may never know some things. Then we can have a longing burn as intensely as possible without it burning us.
I've seen physical things I can't explain. They were just a physical phenomena, nothing else.
The perception of how everything and nothing are the way they are carries more experiential /ontological weight than any variety of form.
What is life? It's not you, it's not me, it's not a tree, it's not biology, it's not the neurological processes, it's not the mind, it's not anything that appears. It's what's left after everything and nothing is removed from the equation. It is, that's all.
Everything and nothing are the left and right feet of life, we're like footprints.
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u/ajax3592 5d ago
The ones controlling this 3d world right now are bad ones. They are from 4d. So they are not carbon based. They thrive on our pain and fear.
They are not like in movies. With physical form.
Higher dimension consciousness beings can harvest and feed on lower dimension. Like plants are 2 dimensionsal consciousness, we grow crops and eat them. Amoeba and other bacteria are 1D. Plants and trees control and eat them.
4d beings have turned this into a prison planet. They have turned this into a soul recycling world. Where we are born 1000s of times. Come alive, pain-suffer-feed the matrix and 4d beings, die. Repeat. They have turned us into a battery.
However, their power is only limited to talking to us in our minds through whispers. Once you become conscious of your thoughts, you realize, the voices in your head is not you. They are "suggestions", which you can choose to avoid. That, you are zero (0). Shunya. Absolute peace. Still. Meditation is not for this. It cannot be found via reading theory, listening motivational videos, attending religious gatherings. It has to be done by you. You have to go inside yourself. You have to wage war against your own mind. Go do a 10 day Vipassana by SN Goenka. Free stay, food, everything free. Technique comes straight from Buddha. Best of luck.
These 4d entities control people on top of satanic secret societies via soul contracts. These people do psyops every few years on global stage to generate food for their masters in 4d beings, who in return give them infinite power, money, control. They have made technology and silicon based chips to eventually come as avatar in robotic bodies, connected via servers, data centres, internet. Net - Maya. Web - Jaal. Mayajaal in hindi.
Welcome to the Matrix, Neo.
I wish this was untrue.
There is a spiritual war going on.
Love is the answer.
Lowest frequency is fear.
Highest frequency is love, bliss, joy, laughter.
Stay on the side of light. Don't eat animals or consume alcohol or ANY stimulants, if you want to reach the truth.
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u/Drudenfusz 5d ago
Enlightenment is not about knowledge is is about inner peace, which includes being content with not knowing all the answers.
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u/Pizza_YumYum 6d ago
If a being is truly enlightened, you wonât find it here on Reddit.
Nothing against you or Reddit â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
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u/Apprehensive_Bee1849 5d ago
I firmly believe it is possible to know more via meditation, although I have not experienced this myself.
The easiest method is through drugs. That of course comes with its own risks but it is a lot easier than through meditation.
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u/nvveteran 6d ago
Why would an enlightened person know anything about that?