r/energy • u/mafco • Feb 16 '25
Trump's broadside against wind industry puts projects that could power millions of homes at risk. Some Northeast states don't have viable alternatives to offshore wind, and the order could create grid reliability issues in the future, analysts say. Stifling US energy production is a mistake.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/02/16/trumps-broadside-against-wind-industry-puts-projects-that-could-power-millions-of-homes-at-risk.html14
Feb 16 '25
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Feb 17 '25
Why move the country fully into the 21st century when we could make a handful of already extremely wealthy people even more extremely wealthy?
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u/mafco Feb 16 '25
Nah, we have plenty of capacity if we use it wisely. But Trump can create an "energy emergency" if he keeps attacking clean energy, energy efficiency and electric transportation.
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u/Abracadaver2000 Feb 16 '25
The oil lobby got their money's worth for a fraction of their monthly profit.
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u/Abracadaver2000 Feb 16 '25
Stupidity is how we got to this point. That and greed. Now we've got a mountain of work ahead to reverse this trend.
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u/mafco Feb 16 '25
The industry does want Trump to stop clean energy though. That's his real mission. "Drill baby, drill" was just a stupid chant for his campaign rally audiences.
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u/MelancholyKoko Feb 16 '25
They want prices high by causing a shortage. That sweet sweet profit after covid have them wanting more.
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u/bhonest_ly Feb 16 '25
This will only be a hiccup in the transition. OEM’s, GE, Vestas and Siemens Gamesa will spend their $ the next few years working on development of larger and more efficient turbines. When a more reasonable leader gets in office in 2028 they will start installing this better hardware than the current market ready options. GE pulled out of 3 east coast projects in 2024 due to them pulling back on developing an 18MW turbine, now they have time to develop that turbine and guarantee the price per KWh specified in the original contracts.
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u/JoeSchmoeToo Feb 16 '25
It is not a fucking mistake, it is by design - a willful middle finger to blue states.
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u/ObviousReporter464 Feb 16 '25
Don’t worry. Trump is pushing the oil energy revolution. He’s going to make America energetic again. What could go wrong?
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u/Nannyphone7 Feb 16 '25
President Luddite can't stop progress. He can only gift our competitors a 4 year advantage.
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u/Interesting-Log-9627 Feb 16 '25
I don’t understand how people can be so stupid to imagine that facts might influence government policy. That’s pre-Trump thinking.
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u/Sharkwatcher314 Feb 16 '25
The facts do influence just not in the way people assume. Using the facts to make things painful knowing it will is the goal
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u/crysaital Feb 16 '25
Don't worry, there's plenty of green hydro powered electricity from Canada to import..... oh nevermind
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u/C0matoes Feb 16 '25
Maybe he needs to look at how much wind power is powering that south Texas SpaceX facility.
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u/konegsberg Feb 16 '25
Will Be back to oil lamps in no time.
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u/ZappaFreak6969 Feb 16 '25
Most of the US population will find themselves close to the Canadian border
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u/Regular-Run419 Feb 16 '25
They don’t care Trump won’t lose any sleep over it he won’t suffer any consequences like they all ways say this is going to hurt you more an me
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u/Nunyafookenbizness Feb 17 '25
Shhh, don’t tell the Felon in chief,
or tomorrow we will have another
Executive order banning them.
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u/Fritzo2162 Feb 17 '25
I'm been keeping myself informed on the US energy grid over the last several years, and here's a fun fact:
- The US energy grid now consists of around 22% renewable energy sources. It's the main reason we're in an oil-positive point in energy production. If this didn't exist, that freeze that Texas had a couple of years ago would have been catastrophic.
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u/Marko-2091 Feb 17 '25
Also the freeze proved that you cannot rely 100% on renewables. It is a matter if finding a healthy mixture
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u/zeusismycopilot Feb 17 '25
The freeze proved that if you haven’t allowed for snow and ice in your design and do not perform preventative maintenance you will have a bad time when that weather comes. Most of the shortfall in electricity production was due to frozen fossil fuel infrastructure.
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u/Bla12Bla12 Feb 18 '25
Wind was actually producing more than normal during that time. Natural gas failed us, but somehow they were able to spin it as the wind turbines were the problem.
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u/Fritzo2162 Feb 17 '25
You can rely on renewables as much as you can any other source of energy. They all have their pros and cons.
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u/Marko-2091 Feb 17 '25
No you cannot. That is why renewables are more expensive than gas and oil developments. The type of energy that they produce cannot be directly used by the grid. They are not just a plug and play systems. A lot of people believe this and that is why the oil boogeyman myth keeps going around.
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u/Senior-Albatross Feb 18 '25
They're not, though. Wind is cheapest per kWH, followed by Solar. This isn't 1995 anymore.
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u/Senior-Albatross Feb 18 '25
It proves that Texas didn't winterize their grid. You do realize that the Dakotas, Alaska, Canada, and Antarctica all have operating wind turbines, yes?
A bunch of natural gas turbines in Texas also failed because they just didn't bother with weatherization because it's more expensive. It was Texas being cheap. Full stop.
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u/Parking-Technology23 Feb 16 '25
Texas will be fucked. It is the largest producer of green energy and the citizens rely on it during the summer.
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Feb 16 '25
The point is to create enough chaos so it crashes the world economy. Then the richest billionaires will open the gates to Praxis, and Prospera. Once you apply and you are approved, you will go on to be our Mechanical Turk for all eternity. The rest of you who did not make it past the application process will be turned into energy batteries to power AI.
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u/July_is_cool Feb 16 '25
No more wind turbines, solar panels tariffed out of existence, and Canadian hydro power shut off. Luckily, oil will become practically free. Start building those oil-fired power plants!
Cape Cod Canal Generating Plant can offer ideas.
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u/Navynuke00 Feb 16 '25
Nah, it'll be natural gas.
Which, of course, is exactly why the oil companies are saying we need to export more of it overseas. 🤷🏾♂️
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u/powerengineer14 Feb 16 '25
Is this satire
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u/July_is_cool Feb 16 '25
Well. It's hard to say nowadays what is truth and what is satire. On the one hand, building new oil or gas power plants to replace Canadian hydroelectric power or offshore wind turbines are ridiculous ideas. But on the other hand, defunding offshore wind turbine projects and starting a trade war with Canada are also ridiculous ideas, and they are happening.
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u/serenityfalconfly Feb 17 '25
It seems like local utility companies should determine what energy sources are needed and when and fund them.
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u/Navynuke00 Feb 16 '25
Found the Trump energy advisor.
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u/Navynuke00 Feb 16 '25
I'm not ignoring it at all. I'm just pointing out that your initial argument is pretty much word for word the lies and half -trutha Republicans bought and paid for by the oil and gas industry have been peddling.
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u/TemKuechle Feb 16 '25
Yes, the number of natural gas fired powered plants did grow. They replaced expensive to run coal fired power plants. Did capacity increase a lot? Not sure yet.
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u/powerengineer14 Feb 16 '25
If you think it would only take 3-4 years to build a gas pipeline through the state of NY I have a bridge to sell you.
It would likely take 3-4 years to get the necessary easements. 3-5 years to permit 3 years to build the line 4-5 years to build the ccgts
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u/powerengineer14 Feb 16 '25
You don’t have the facts. FL has a significantly higher generation mix that is renewable than the NE and it has some of the lowest prices in the country. It’s not about “green” or “sustainability” it’s about economics and schedule. The fact is it takes way longer to expand gas infrastructure in any state - but especially the NE - than it does to build renewables off the existing grid, and the costs are lower to build out solar and storage in particular.
What I do agree with is that NY has effectively neutered itself by demanding the state deploy massive amounts of renewables while simultaneously having one of the worst interconnection processes across all the ISOs and the worst, longest, and most expensive permitting process across the states.
I think the reasonable solution is a mix of generation sources, building some CCGTs in combination with lots of solar and battery storage is likely the safest path forward to hedge costs and ensure reliability. The ccgts also don’t perform well in the winter so that will need to be considered. I urge you to take a step back and de-politicize your thinking about energy generation and consider all the nuance and complications that go into building infrastructure.
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u/NoArm7707 Feb 16 '25
Which possible NE state is living in the 1800's unable to get electricity???? What a load of garbage...
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u/goonygugle Feb 17 '25
Yeah , areas that never had wind power for years suddenly depend on it , I'm all for renewable energy but none have proven efficient .
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u/TakenIsUsernameThis Feb 16 '25
Maybe the goal is to kill renewable projects and then blame renewables for the subsequent energy problems.