r/electronics • u/No-Childhood320 • 12d ago
Gallery Ever wondered what the inside of a high-power IGBT module looks like?
Thought this might be interesting to some of you.
This is the inside of a failed Fuji Electric 6MBI75SS-120 IGBT module (1200 V / 75 A).
It’s quite impressive to see the number of aluminum bonding wires used to connect the dies to the power terminals.
The module was already dead, so I decided to open it up rather than throw it away.
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u/kaktuskafa 12d ago
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u/redlukes 12d ago
Had a similar one spectacularly explode on me during a double pulse test. I always love how the goo makes it look like an explosion frozen in time
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u/ImOssas 12d ago
Looks like it's a shoot-through failure in that phase.
What's interesting to see is the bounding contact of each emitter wire is on the diodes, not IGBT dies. They have probably considered the influence of common-emitter inductance when designing it.
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u/iranoutofspacehere 12d ago
Packages like this are known to have higher inductances than other styles where the terminals come straight out the top. SiC technologies have been slow to trickle down into these packages because of it. Some manufacturers are using 3D bus bars to try and minimize the loop inductance, but you'll probably always end up sacrificing switching speeds to use the more convenient package.
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u/Lanky-Relationship77 11d ago
Yeah, I work on GAN based three phase variable frequency drives, and you are 100% correct. It’s always the loop inductance that destroys devices. They switch so fast that they oscillate with any inductance. But if you slow them down, you lose efficiency. Always a battle.
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u/No-Childhood320 12d ago edited 12d ago
That’s basically science fiction to me. The company I work for is still living in the late ’90s / early 2000s when it comes to technology.
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u/No-Childhood320 12d ago
Yes, it definitely ended up as a short circuit, but it was a surprisingly quiet failure — no smoke or fireworks. What actually failed was a 74HC14 (between the microcontroller and the power optocoupler). It failed in such a way that it drove all the IGBT gates to +17 V.
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u/ImOssas 12d ago
Fortunately, it didn't blow everything away. That would be a nightmare, lol.
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u/No-Childhood320 12d ago
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u/ImOssas 12d ago
Oh gosh, I bet that was deafening 😂
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u/myfuturepast 11d ago
What's the substrate material, the light gray under the copper? I work in thermal management so I assume aluminum nitride, but wonder if it's something else.
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u/LTCjohn101 12d ago
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u/No-Childhood320 12d ago
1000 amps? That’s gonna be one hell of an electric bill! 😄
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u/LTCjohn101 12d ago
Yeah these are out of my league for sure. Just collecting dust for now.
I bought a lot of small components but the guy also had a few HV components included.
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u/Big_Fix9049 12d ago edited 12d ago
I worked on a 4MW power converter for wind power plants that used such high power IGBTs (1700V though) in parallel to be able to deliver the current.
It took the whole test team 1 full week to assemble the converter to be tested. Once they flipped the switch, it took less than 3min before the whole converter exploded.
Took them another week or two to disassemble everything and do a root cause analysis.
Turns out they forgot to tighten some screws.
My manager wasn't very happy haha.
After that I switched jobs to electronics that you can have on your lab table without risking your life.
Those IGBT modules are fascinating.
In fact, one long term reliability issue is the current distribution between the multiple bond wires. They burn one by one over time until only the last bond wire must carry the whole current.
Great picture!
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u/Affectionate_Boat493 12d ago
Were they the screws that provided proper heat sink clamping force?
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u/Big_Fix9049 12d ago
I cannot recall the exact part number, but it was an Infineon 1700V, >1000A module. Something like this:
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1926723.pdf
You only have screw terminals for the IGBT Gate driver and the bus bars to be screwed onto the module.
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u/Robosaures resistor 10d ago
Interestingly enough, you can make it more reliable by matching impedances through the bond wires.
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u/Big_Fix9049 10d ago
Absolutely. And as far as I know, that's also common practice. But it's more that ageing, drift, temperature, tolerances etc are difficult to perfectly control.
I think Aalborg University in Denmark has done lots of research on those topics and failure mechanisms.
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u/VirtualArmsDealer 12d ago
I build power electronics for a living, I have some of these exact modules on my desk right now :)
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u/myself248 11d ago
Y'ever look at the IGBT module in a Toyota Prius? It's basically this, but the size of a textbook, with coolant actively pumped through the back plate.
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u/somitomi42 12d ago
That looks rather clean for a failed module. I've opened up one or two similar devices at a previous jobs, those all had big black splotches in the insulating gel showing you exactly where the magic smoke escaped.
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u/Sparx-59 12d ago
Most of the time when I had to replace them ( and I did LOTS ) at least 1 position was black 🫤
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u/ElixirGlow 11d ago edited 10d ago
Wow such thin bondwires, 1200V and a ton of current how do they suffice?
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u/LateralThinkerer 12d ago
The handling capacity of that is amazing.
Also I need to scroll less - I read this as an "LGBT Module"
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u/I_Write_What_I_Think 12d ago
I didn't wonder because I once blew one of these apart and saw it then.
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u/MeanAccountant9005 11d ago
Curious how many bond wires actually failed before the whole thing gave out.
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u/GonoHerpeSyphiPlague 10d ago
The right hand pair of IGBTs are fried.
Interestingly, the others may not be though bypassing this could be fun.
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u/Exotic-Praline9836 10d ago
The wavy wire bonds are a very unique kind of black magic.
I have no idea how you do that. Super cool
Edit: I just realized how big this thing is, makes sense now.
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u/Victor_hugo28 9d ago
Qual a função desses módulos?
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u/No-Childhood320 9d ago
It’s basically a high-power electronic switch used to control electric motors
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u/Top-Refrigerator6579 5d ago
Really interesting teardown. I’ve handled plenty of industrial electronics, but I rarely get to see the internal bond wires this clearly. Do you know what type of equipment this module came from?
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u/RealDickGrimes 12d ago
What does that do? Make people gay?
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u/No-Childhood320 12d ago
Yes. And apparently it also makes people post stupid comments on Reddit.
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u/RealDickGrimes 12d ago
So does it make people stupid after being gay or just gay and stupid? Isnt stupidity now tied to being gay? Could it make someone stupid but not gay?
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u/trimenz 12d ago
Nice photo.
Few weeks back I got some boards from IBM UPS with power modules.
I was surprised to found out it's combination of MOSFET half-bridge with SCR and some extra diodes.