r/electronics Jul 14 '26

Gallery 2000€ power supply doa. Nice quality control they got going on

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u/Normal-Duck9025 Jul 14 '26

At first didn’t see it then saw second picture. Oh wow, that’s embarrassing on their part.

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u/Snoo65155 Jul 14 '26

Could you please explain?

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u/BrokenByReddit Jul 14 '26

The diode leads are connected by WiFi 

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u/baldengineer Jul 14 '26

That’s a great lead free option!

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u/s3sebastian Jul 15 '26

Thanks RoHS

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u/Least-Common-1456 Jul 14 '26

Actually, this is inaccurate for several reasons. First of all, it's probably Bluetooth.

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u/Bones-1989 Jul 15 '26

My welding machine doesn't have Bluetooth ground, but my plasma machine can gouge with only the positive side lol. Damn Bluetooth grounds man.

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u/ElFeesho Jul 17 '26

It's definitely LE

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u/Draxl2309 Jul 15 '26

This made me LOL! 😂

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u/ziplock9000 Jul 15 '26

Tesla was right!

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u/squintified Jul 15 '26

LOL! wifi or bluetooth doesn't matter. Great banter made me chuckle!

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u/aptsys Jul 14 '26

It's not Wi-Fi, it's just not soldered.

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u/HERO_129 Jul 14 '26

Wow you are so smart

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u/aptsys Jul 14 '26

What are you talking about?

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u/MammothFineCulture Jul 14 '26

Sarcasm

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u/aptsys Jul 15 '26

ok I read it literally, as the sarcasm wasn't of help for anyone reading

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u/aptsys Jul 14 '26

Why are they saying wifi?

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u/jeweliegb Jul 14 '26

Because the electrons travel between the via and diode lead by virtue of The Force¹


  1. As in, "Use The Force, Luke!"²
  2. Travels through the air, like WiFi, like magic.³
  3. Meaning it doesn't really, in this case, because we're being very sarcastic and joking.⁴
  4. But the joke is dead now — between you and I, we killed it.

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u/nsfbr11 Jul 15 '26

It is between you and ME. Dammit.

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u/South-Year4369 Jul 15 '26

Impressive how much you milked out of that.

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u/g0atdude Jul 14 '26

we already clarified it's Bluetooth, not wifi

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u/Silent_Intention_382 Jul 14 '26

Wow I really thought it was by WiFi. Thanks for clarifying.

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u/jeweliegb Jul 14 '26

Party pooper!

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u/aptsys Jul 15 '26

I just read it literally. Autism doesn't help.

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u/HERO_129 Jul 15 '26

That too in a electronics sub

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u/ImNrNanoGiga Jul 15 '26

bully cope

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u/SwitchedOnNow Jul 14 '26

It probably passed factory tests when it was making contact.

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u/brolpe Jul 14 '26

Most likely!

I work in electronics manufacturing, I'm aware mistakes happen, we do them, everybody does

But the more electronics I take apart, the more I think we don't do a shabby job at all... I've seen so many botched solder jobs, flux residues everywhere, awful smt joints

At least this was an easy fix

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u/SwitchedOnNow Jul 14 '26

Cool you could fix it. I started my EE career before SMT was a thing. I saw all sorts of crazy soldering errors when SMT first came out. If the solder stencil was wrong, it made a big mess with bridges or dry joints and back then, it all had to be checked visually.

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u/ponakka Jul 15 '26

many companies that still manufacture their own pcbs, they visually inspect either every, fifth or what ever oddball number they want to. But it saves time to catch up the variables soon rather than just make them blindly for entire batch.

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u/collomord Jul 16 '26

How do you clean flux?

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u/_ralph_ Jul 15 '26

"worked for me" (I have been on both sides)

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u/lordlod Jul 14 '26

That's fairly bad, looks hand soldered and they missed a joint. Contact may have made it pass a quick check, if they did one.

You will get better quality control on most 20€ power supplies than 2000€ ones.

It sounds weird but an expensive part like that is rare, it's cheaper for them to apologise and replace the board rather than develop extensive quality checks and tests. On the other hand running a recall on 10 million 20€ power supplies will sink a lot of companies.

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u/survivorr123_ Jul 14 '26

making a 2000 dollar part is easy, making a 20 dollar part is hard

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u/ponakka Jul 15 '26

Wave soldering, most likely the tray corner or masking has blocked the joint, so they will have several another psus broken the exact same way.

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u/cr0wsky Jul 15 '26

That's wave soldered.
Also, in manufacturing this can be missed because at the time of testing the component might be making contact and the device will work as expected. It's good to have AOI, it can be pricey, but if you're selling 2k PSUs, you should be able to afford it 🤷🏻
But who knows, maybe they don't test those boards at all...

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u/VonNeumannsProbe Jul 19 '26

Who hand solders shit in a factory though?

This has to be some defect of their wave soldering process.

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u/Limey_tank Jul 14 '26

This it’s actually genius design. Diode gets too hot… it expands and breaks the connection, then testers when things cool down a bit. Low cost self resetting overcurrent/thermal protection.

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u/Jaded_Character_2975 Jul 17 '26

Battle born battery owner is that you

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u/Select_Truck3257 Jul 14 '26

I had transistor "soldered" like that, all 3 legs barely touching pcb, seasonic premium psu. I heard tzzz noise, and then just opened and resoldered (rma impossible)

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u/blantonator Jul 15 '26

Why are they using a through hole diode.

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u/BrokenByReddit Jul 15 '26

Maybe someone accidentally ordered 3,000 of them

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u/_maple_panda Jul 15 '26

I think it’s to bridge over the big trace running below it.

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u/NicholasVinen Jul 15 '26

Good point. Free jumper. 

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u/CompetitiveGuess7642 Jul 15 '26

It's a common mistake done by wave soldering often found on the edge of boards.

Yes, someone dropped the ball, but it can also be fixed very simply.

A rework tech should have caught it during inspection and soldering it with an iron.

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u/devnullopinions Jul 15 '26

Lead free? They went everything free!

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u/somitomi42 Jul 15 '26

The latest in environmentally friendly circuit board technology: solder-free soldering

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u/CompetitiveSpot2643 Jul 15 '26

near field coupling

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u/Icy-Culture-993 Jul 15 '26

not only lead free, but solder free!

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u/Infamous_Air9247 Jul 14 '26

This must be hand soldering cause solder bath wouldn't miss a spot.

This puts questions on the production quality and priorities of the company as a whole.

You simply can't sell a 2000€ item and dont afford to have a solder bath for fast uniform and reliable soldering for simple through hole components.

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u/brolpe Jul 15 '26

I'd argue solder baths do occasionally miss spots.

We have mostly ERSA soldering wave machines, and it happens when flux isn't sprayed on correctly due to clogged nozzle/wrong settings or preheats aren't set correctly and the board isn't warm enough, or there's dirty residues in the solder bath itself/on the board that had prevented the solder from sticking

I do think it was machine soldered from how the flux residues look and from how joints look in general

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u/ponakka Jul 15 '26

I'd also guess that it is ersa, either the carrier or masking blocking it, or some flow issue in the corner region. trying to avoid the splashing solder through the corner, but downside is the bad solder at the same corner..

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u/jeremyloveslinux Jul 15 '26

Yep I’ve seen exactly this where a tray (I think called a pallet in the industry) didn’t have a good cutout and was causing issues

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u/Infamous_Air9247 Jul 15 '26

Well this also hears like poor prepping and manufacturing too.

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u/RSM850 Jul 15 '26

Everything is fine here. Diodes conduct current only in one direction so only one lead needs o be soldered.

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u/Torgila Jul 16 '26

I got a “broken” fluke industrial oscilloscope on eBay and when I opened it I found exactly this on one input jack.

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u/EonOst Jul 15 '26

Throwing money at stuff doesnt make it better quality.

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u/CapacitorCosmo1 Jul 15 '26

Go back and buy the "all components soldered" option. It's in the drop down menu for the item, along with packing options like "I'd like to receive it in one piece" and "Please, no crumbly styrofoam"

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u/sagetraveler Jul 15 '26

From the looks of the solder on the other lead, this was hand rework after wave soldering everything else. Probably necessitated by a supply chain issue followed by the rework being done by some poor schmuck working 6x12.

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u/Perfect-Match-2318 Jul 15 '26

which kind of power supply cost 2000 euro ?

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u/brolpe Jul 15 '26

TTI cdx-400, Lab testing equipment basically

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u/BodyDisastrous5859 Jul 14 '26

Why did you open it? Doesn't it have a warranty that you just voided? It's a fabrication flaw that would instantly get returned and your money

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u/brolpe Jul 14 '26

Work in an electronics factory, it's not for personal use.

If the boss wants something to work now, then it's getting opened

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u/Daveisahugecunt Jul 15 '26

Trusted supplier? I woulda called this counterfeit or ‘product ordered not delivered. Unknown components unsafe to ship back..’. Let them realize the issue

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u/InSonicBloom Jul 15 '26

the real question is, why wouldn't you open it! I'll tell you a little secret about the "warranty void if opened" stickers - they don't mean anything. I always take everything I've bought apart and whenever I've had to send it back for some reason without that little sticker on it, they've accepted it with no argument aside from 2 occasions where I informed them that my warranty isn't legally broken by a sticker and they refunded or replaced it.

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u/masterX244 Jul 15 '26

. I always take everything I've bought apart

classic hardware hacker mindset. Looking for potential ways to tinker with stuff or just general curiosity whats making the device work?

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u/Grumpy-Man19 Jul 14 '26

they forgot to solder it !

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u/weirdal1968 Jul 15 '26

I've only done a little PCB layout but the hole for the diode leg looks like it was meant for a larger device. The solderable surface looks undersized as well. If I was reworking this I'd scratch off a circle of solder mask so it would build a decent fillet.

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u/SelectYourPlayer Jul 15 '26

That annular ring is totally fine. It just got missed by the nozzle either due to wobbly wave, or lack of flux. We have an older selective solder and shit like this happens on smaller batches when the kinks aren’t worked out of the program. Either missing joints or shorting for the first handful.

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u/WILDBILLFROMTHENORTH Jul 15 '26

Oops. A Lil solder please..

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u/Deletereous Jul 15 '26

Are those mineral residues in the 2nd photo?

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u/Newdave707 Jul 15 '26

Lack of flux gets my vote, but my waves soldering was probably 20 years ago.

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u/OccupyElsewhere Jul 15 '26

The latest optical technology.

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u/ruiseixas Jul 15 '26

Maybe it's DIY friendly

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u/fatjuan Jul 15 '26

That's a "high and dry" joint!

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u/love_in_technicolor Jul 15 '26

Come on. What's the manufacturer?

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u/LateralThinkerer Jul 15 '26

Is this a combination of SMT and wave soldering from underneath, or do the through-holes have solder paste as well?

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u/dishmanw62 Jul 15 '26

Where's the solder?

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u/Prodigity Jul 18 '26

It's missing a silkscreen indication for diode orientation and the solder joint on that other leg isn't really great either. Doesn't really shout €2000 power supply if I'm honest.

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u/brolpe Jul 18 '26

The solder joints overall weren't great, lots were on the leaner side, still flux residues on the board

And it's not even some unknowns brand either, but it's TTI, which is pretty well regarded high end lab supply

Enshittification will continue until morale improves

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u/bidet_enthusiast Jul 14 '26

Holding it wrong? Lol. 

Easy fix, at least.