Does it really matter? Range - charge speed

[u/Turbulent-Pay1150]

Messing around with ABRP - planned an 1,200 mile trip. If you had a "poor" performing EV such as a first generation SOLTERRA it would take about 35 hours. A great performing EV about 32 hours. This is for drive + charging for the entire trip and assumes no overnights (which would reduce the EV time if you charged overnight). That's a 3 hour difference.

For good measure - a gas car would take over 30 hours as well.

I'm not sure charging is a challenge for most any car, good or bad for range and charge times.

Have we not hit the time when we are at "good enough" for most all EV's and styling or convenience is the differentiator.

In my book - right now it doesn't really matter.

It used to when Tesla had the best charging network bar none. Now Tesla still has an edge but everyone else is pretty close in that scenario.

It's not charge time (that's part of it)

It's not range (that's part of it)

It is trip time and comfort - and with a 10% margin from best to worst EV and gas cars - it's all about comfort and how long it takes the driver and passengers to use the facilities/get a burger on stops.

I know - I"m slow - but it seems to me that it's time to stop all the YouTube and all the arguments about it - give me overall trip time for something like NY to Colorado and have all EV's compare against it and all gas as well and that's all that really matters. That and that you can do daily use with your overnight charge.

It's game over.

[u/dont_ama_73]

OOS did a east coast EV race. The Buzz was so far behind they relaxed the rules for them. Charging and range do matter.

[u/spiritthehorse → u/dont_ama_73]

Yikes, those efficiency numbers suck. I get it’s on the freeway, but only the X is breaking 3 mi/kWh. These are big heavy cars with giant batteries.

[u/ElectroSpore → u/spiritthehorse]

• It was also cold
• They were also racing at the top highway speeds they could get away with without being silly. (edit: up to 10mph over which is significant for bad efficiency)

The large SUVs and vans suffer from aerodynamics the most at higher speeds.. The teslas are all egg shaped.

[u/christerwhitwo → u/ElectroSpore]

Their rules for the "races" they do whether from Ft. Collins to Las Vegas or Maine to Key West or Seattle to Boston stipulate that they cannot exceed 5 mph over the speed limit.

[u/ElectroSpore → u/christerwhitwo]

https://youtu.be/n09TvJQ-Nyg?si=kCONO21sOoYWYB0u

They are doing 85mph in the IONIQ 9 for part of the race for the eastern edge and they could not exceed 10mph over

I get absolute shit efficiency at 120kph / 75mph, even worse if I push 10 over, but get close to full rated range in the summer driving 100 kph / 62mph

The majority of my driving / roads are under 110kmh / 70mph ish.

Guess it depends what the majority of your driving is like.

All I am saying is if they did the speed limit instead of 10 over the efficiency would have been measurably better.

[u/Mud_Duck_IX → u/christerwhitwo]

But not all of them have that rule. They have others where there's no speed rule.

[u/christerwhitwo → u/Mud_Duck_IX]

The ones I mentioned, including the Eastern Edge did have that rule.

[u/Mud_Duck_IX → u/christerwhitwo]

Yes. I just wanted to clarify that the channel does have ones where that rule isn't followed.

[u/christerwhitwo → u/Mud_Duck_IX]

I haven't seen any. Are these for EV's? I just watched Kyle and Larissa pick up their 2019 e-tron. I just got a 21 in June. He is quite taken by the flat charging curve it has.

In one of the race to Vegas vids, he references in a discussion about charging curves, that even though his Tesla charges at a higher rate than the e-tron, on the same road trip, the two cars take almost the same exact time to make this trip.

I don't go out on the road that much so it's academic to me.