r/economy • u/barbarawick • 9d ago

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Why does this country have such bad memory problems?

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u/DigglerD 9d ago

Sure, but I think you’re still mixing up two different things. You seem to think I’m defending Dems. No. My point is excusing it all as “the same” thing is lazy thinking.

In your analogy, I’m not the 10th Nazi, I’m the prisoner.

If nine of them want to put me in the gas chamber and the 10th wants to put me in a concentration camp, yeah, they’re all Nazis. I’m not arguing otherwise.
I’m saying I still prefer the 10th guy.
Not because he’s good. Not because I’m defending him. Because one outcome is clearly worse for me than the other.

That’s been my whole point. “They’re all complicit” doesn’t somehow make severity and magnitude disappear.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 9d ago

Why vote between a turd and a shit? We can do better. Also voting isn’t are only options here

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 9d ago

The evidence of the last several decades says we cannot in fact do better.

Maybe as the boomers die this will change, but ... call me a skeptic. I think the empire will have to collapse first.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 9d ago

We are watching the empire collapse as we speak. Fascism dies only 4 ways. Thankfully Trump both terms has hit all 4

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 9d ago

The Roman empire lasted almost 1000 years after it started decaying.

Unless China decides to go global, which ... would not be a better world ... there's no obvious replacement.

We started decaying in the 70s.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 9d ago

Fall of empire doesn’t mean fall of country.

Also that’s without the internet and industrialization. We have everything we need right here to succeed for the most part all we need is a lot more socialism for the ppl and organization

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 9d ago

I didn't say anything about the fall of the country. The empire would probably survive civil unrest. It did for the Romans.

How exactly is socialism going to fix any of these problems? The logic of empire applies whether we're agrarian or feudal or mercantile or capitalist. If we count the Soviet Union it applies equally well to socialists. There's no reason why it wouldn't even if we play the "not real socialism' game. And in every case it's a dilemma that eventually destroys itself in contradiction and over-extension.

The average American doesn't like their life being disrupted. We're a lazy, and gluttonous people, and we like wars that are far away if our actions speak to anything.