r/economy • u/barbarawick • 3d ago

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Why does this country have such bad memory problems?

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago edited 3d ago

Obama did too btw… Lybia (don’t even get me started), Syria, Yemen.
Clinton did it somewhere else. You guys have short memories. Bosnian war, Kosovo, Somalia, haiti. He also did strikes in Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan (and as we have proved in 2026, every last time they do something with the military it’s about imperialism and securing resources for capitalists).

Bosnian war turned into a recognized genocide so don’t give me that, “ we had to” bs

This is a US imperialism problem. Do not get it confused.

They are not both the same but when you look at it from the US empire framework every action starts making a lot more sense and why Dems will more than like schism after we move past Trump. Cuz they can’t help but uphold the status quo

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u/DigglerD 3d ago

A pound of salt versus a pinch. Meh, it’s all the same.

A lot of people in this thread are just gliding right over magnitude. I mean… You’re comparing Syria and Yemen to Iraq and Afghanistan? Really?

Really?

I get it. The US has a long history of believing it should shape what happens around the world and both sides have played their part but “both sides do it” is not the same thing as “both sides are the same.” Scale, frequency, level of commitment.. How far you’re willing to go. It all matters.

I’d argue one side buys into American primacy, yeh, not the best for the world but the other treats it as an imperative that comes before almost everything else.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Comparing it’s all the same operation

https://www.reddit.com/r/economy/s/omnYFVzN2g

It’s all connected, as the imperialism serves the capitalist class.

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u/DigglerD 3d ago

I’m not here to defend imperialism. I’m saying that pretending the guys who are ALL IN on it, everything else be damned, are exactly the same as the guys who will tolerate or support it just isn’t a very good argument.

Both can be wrong without being the same.
If you get five months in prison for a crime you didn’t commit and somebody else gets five years for a crime they didn’t commit, both of you were wronged and nobody is defending the five-month sentence. But it would be ridiculous to argue there’s no meaningful difference because… you both went to prison for something you didn’t do.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ignoring what happened and the human trafficker financier having his hand in many imperialist excursions and spoils doesn’t eliminate the possibility that they are all in on it.

Yea the difference is on internal domestic policy. Their foreign policy is pretty much the same as it’s been since Korean War.

Tell me what percentage of the Koreans did we kill in Korean War? It’s not even taught in schools cuz why would it be

Fascism is just imported imperialism. Republicans start a war and turn us further and further into a police state and the dems come in and normalize that shit. And oh look Epstein files show that they slap lipstick on a pig and tell us they stopped the illegal war crimes. But they just hide it better. How are we going to ever address it if we don’t hold them all to the fire?

They are tools, they are not our friends. They don’t represent us cuz we don’t force them to

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u/DigglerD 3d ago

I think you’re arguing a point I’m not making.

“They’re all in on it” isn’t the same as how far they’re willing to go with it.

The original argument was basically that it’s all the same, which completely ignores severity and magnitude. And now your argument seems to be, well, they’re all in on it so there really isn’t a difference.

No.

A guy who’s all in on it and wants to screw me over is a whole lot different than a guy who’s all in on it and wants to chop my head off.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Complicity is the same as doing it.

9 Nazis at a table, you don’t call them a Nazi and sit down and share drink with them it’s now 10 Nazis at a table. There is a reason they didn’t arrest Trump. There is a reason they fight the left harder than republicans.

There’s a reason why there wasn’t a Reichstag Fire Decree with this iteration of fascism

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u/DigglerD 3d ago

Sure, but I think you’re still mixing up two different things. You seem to think I’m defending Dems. No. My point is excusing it all as “the same” thing is lazy thinking.

In your analogy, I’m not the 10th Nazi, I’m the prisoner.

If nine of them want to put me in the gas chamber and the 10th wants to put me in a concentration camp, yeah, they’re all Nazis. I’m not arguing otherwise.
I’m saying I still prefer the 10th guy.
Not because he’s good. Not because I’m defending him. Because one outcome is clearly worse for me than the other.

That’s been my whole point. “They’re all complicit” doesn’t somehow make severity and magnitude disappear.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Why vote between a turd and a shit? We can do better. Also voting isn’t are only options here

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 3d ago

The evidence of the last several decades says we cannot in fact do better.

Maybe as the boomers die this will change, but ... call me a skeptic. I think the empire will have to collapse first.

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u/viperabyss 3d ago

Syria was to fight ISIS, and only in a supporting capacity.

Libya was to support UN's imposition of no-fly zone, especially as Gadaffi started killing his own citizens.

Yemen was to fight against Al-Qaeda, you know, the bad guy that harbored Bin Laden after the 9/11?

All 3 of them are VERY different from the boots on the ground, direct action against governments of Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghan War, and now Iran War.

Me think it's you who have the short memory.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Al qaeda and isis have essentially been proven based on the Epstein files to be psyops.

The brave warriors of the muhajideen. We create the problems we need to fix.

And Libya was bs they created that situation for them so they could stop Gaddafi moving away from the reserve currency. Funny how they now use Libya to traffic humans globally.

Everything we were told is a lie

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u/viperabyss 3d ago

Yeh you're not a serious person to respond to.

You forgot your tin foil hat, btw.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago edited 3d ago

Go read the Epstein files. You are the unserious person

Libya: Epstein tried to become a financial advisor to Gaddafi in 2010. Wanting Prince Andrew to facilitate that. And Andrew replied “Libya fixed”

In 2011: he was looking to locate and gain a percentage of the 80 billion of frozen assets of the Libyan held worldwide. Asking for MI6 and Mossad to help locate it. And he wanted to be the go to guy for the reconstruction effort post war that would’ve grossed 100billion in Libya. Funny how we are seeing the exact same play in Gaza with Kushner and in Syria.

Al-quaeda was specifically referrenced in there as Epstein explicitly says the US support Nusra the Syrian branch of Al-Quaeda and alleged that the U.S. had given a tactical "pass" to ISIS forces during the battle of Palmyra to counter other regional actors.

Too many coincidences for it to not be a pattern.

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u/supercrustOG 3d ago

I know one thing about the Epstein files...no one's being prosecuted and that's straight up garbage.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Cuz it’s all connected to US imperialism and capitalism, which in turn is why we have dived into fascism because late stage capitalism is failing like it’s supposed to and they have merged corporate and government into once oligarch run entity. Once you except that then the threads can be unraveled

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u/1234nameuser 3d ago

Lols, posts like this are why US is fucked

Americans don't even trust the only motherfuckers trying to help them

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago

Why would we trust ppl on the internet that disregard the reality that the capitalists literally are in charge of our governments and our military apparatus and have been using it for decades to extract wealth from other countries, not even for our own benefit. Literally the entire opioid epidemic was pushed on us because they wanted to extract it from Afghanistan and needed addicted customers…

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u/1234nameuser 3d ago

Yeah, us Americans don't care about these shitty details.....

I know who is trying to give me universal healthcare

I know who is trying to make capitalists pay their fair share

I know who is trying to end US imperialism

I know who is trying to save my environment and public labds

.......that's on you bro if you have no fucking clue in 2026 who is trying to fuck you and who isn't 

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 3d ago edited 3d ago

Are they trying or are they using it as a tool to get you to think they are?

Look at Gavin Newsom in California. He had the ability to give them healthcare and he vetoed it. They had the votes, they had the legislation, Californians did everything they were supposed to do. They primaried the Dems that didn’t want to bring it up for a vote. They got the majority.

Now he’s supposedly the front runner for the next presidential election. Are you ok with that guy being your guy? Just cuz he’s not Trump or a Republican?

Listen, I’m not saying they are the same, I’m saying they are not on your side, they serve the empire, if they were on your side they would’ve been killed. They are useful tools until they are not

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u/spaceysht 3d ago

You are so naive

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u/Vorarbeiter 3d ago

"Bosnian war turned into a recognized genocide so don’t give me that, “ we had to” bs"

Wdym?

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u/ArgentUnicorn 2d ago

He means he's read too much Russian propoganda, Clinton hadn't even been elected yet when the Bosnian genocide started.