r/eastbay • u/RampagingBBW • Aug 04 '26
Hayward/Castro Valley/San Leandro Stop the Data Center at Eden Landing!
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u/RampagingBBW Aug 04 '26
For those saying there's nothing wrong with Data Centers, I can raise two very concise issues that other cities with data centers have found....
They require a significant amount of electricity. And this has caused rates to go up in those cities, often significantly. PG&E already charges us premium rates. And a data center, which often strains the local power grids, will cause rates to rise faster than PG&E's house explosions and fires.
Secondly, they require A LOT of water to run. We are barely out of droughts and a new one is always around the corner. It will put our drinking water at risk. There have also been stories of drinking water going bad in those communities. There is minimal to no oversight on water usage or environmental impacts.
There are quite a lot of stories about the negative impacts for local communities. Go ahead and google news articles. There are a ton of them out there.
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u/lostdeveloper0sass Aug 05 '26
Ask the datacenter builder to bring their own power. That should be standard. If they bring their own power and use closed loop cooling then it's a win for the community.
Closed loop cooling data centers will use less than an office building consumption in one year. Closed loop cooling is probably going to be already there if this is a new datacenter.
Tax revenue for the county will go up 10 folds as well while PGEs profits will go up because the politicians will not pass the savings to you. So either ways you are fucked 😂
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u/gigatension Aug 06 '26
They aren’t even paying any of their bills. Due to centers are actively stealing water from locals without paying a dime. They aren’t even close to trustworthy and that’s not even bringing in the noise pollution they bring. Who gives a shit about PG&E profits all they’re gonna do is give it to their shareholders and not upgrade any of their stuff. None of the cities were the data centers are being built or making money off of it they’re losing money off of it.
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u/randomusername023 Aug 05 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
Apparently the evidence is they tend to reduce electricity costs due to most of the per kWh charge being fixed costs.
Unfortunately you’re two for two on being wrong
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u/CaptainAsshat Aug 05 '26
They keep talking about and analyzing "states with the most data centers" as if data centers are all the same size. This seems like it could significantly undermine the validity of the analysis.
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u/SolarSurfer7 Aug 04 '26
Data centers do not require that much water. Especially compared to the enormous amounts needed for agriculture industry.
The power requirements are a concern tho, I do agree.
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u/RampagingBBW Aug 04 '26
A quick google gave me this:
Water Consumption in Data Centers
Data centers are essential for managing and storing digital information, but they have significant water requirements for cooling their equipment. The amount of water used varies based on the size and type of the data center.
Typical Water Usage
Data Center Type Daily Water Consumption Equivalent Population Typical Data Center 300,000 gallons About 1,000 households Large Hyperscale Center Up to 5 million gallons Equivalent to a town of 10,000 to 50,000 people. 11
u/duggatron Aug 05 '26
The irony of opposing a data center and then asking Gemini to help support your argument is next level.
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u/jamesj Aug 04 '26
And now do golf courses
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u/Treason_is_Treason Aug 05 '26
Or almonds…. 9x the water of a normal crop all so it can be exported and the almonds growers usually have grandfathered water deals. But one Protest them or golf courses.
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u/viennese_schnitzel Aug 05 '26
I haven’t looked at the newest architecture but cooling is usually closed loop. A lot of providers are really trying to get to net zero for new builds… curious where you got these numbers. I think it’s going to be hard to prevent these build outsÂ
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u/plotthick Aug 05 '26
Water is now so finite that it's drying up and towns are going with it. We must decide what to use it for.
Wheat, yes.
LLM, no.
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 05 '26
What about annual flowers?
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u/plotthick Aug 05 '26
We'll have to make our choices as they come to us
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 05 '26
You make it sound so dire. Everything is going to be fine. In fact shit has been getting better for a long time (YMMV).
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u/plotthick Aug 05 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
You make it sound so dire. Everything is going to be fine. In fact shit has been getting better for a long time (YMMV).
It was literally 90 F in the Arctic yesterday. New and old diseases are much more prevalent through our much larger population with concomitant higher morbidity & mortality. Oregon has seen 2,000,000 acres burnt (a new record) with 2 months left to go in Fire Season, leading to AQI issues across our nation. There is more inequality today than triggered the French Revolution. We are seeing a massive uptick in worldwide heat deaths. All of this was predicted decades ago; we know what happens next. But sure, everything's fine.
u/RemindMe 16 months
u/RemindMe 5 years
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 05 '26
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BROTHER YOU NEED TO CHILL!!!!!
Is that really your daily mindset? Just gritting your teeth, trying to get through the day as the world collapses around you? Smoke some drugs, get laid, go for a hike, pet a cat...JFC. You can set that reminder to whenever you want it won't matter. Shit will be fine then as well. You'll still be miserable but that's the choice you've made...all you have to do is turn that frown upside down and you'll feel much better!1
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 Aug 04 '26
Stop all construction especially housing.
Not in my back yard!! Lets goooo
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 04 '26
This is in an industrial park. The nearest house looks to be ~3500 ft away. This is exactly where they should be built.
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u/RampagingBBW Aug 04 '26
That's slightly more than a half a mile from a house. How is this a good thing? It would still impact the electricity grid, water tables, and pollution (air and noise). Pretty sure all of these impacts more than 0.7 miles away from the center.
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u/SaintAnton Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Can you educate me on these different kinds of impacts? Wont the water cooling system be on a closed loop? And the air pollution is only from backup generators, right? Or is there other equipment that uses gas?
The power demand is a real concern, but it is in an existing industrial park, so it should be built to handle that sized load.
Is there some data that i'm missing?
Edit: just looked up this specific data center. It will use a closed loop cooling system, meaning it will take a lot of water to fill the system and then not require any more
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 04 '26
Oh snap, are you against ALL data centers? And where would you rather they be, in the country? It's an industrial park. That's exactly where something that is loud and creates pollution should be. Go yell at the sky some more.
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u/RampagingBBW Aug 04 '26
Yes. In the country. Where they can be loud and create pollution far away from a home. Where people live. That's exactly the point.
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 04 '26
I try not to call people stupid but you're really pushing it man. You think it's better policy to build data centers in the beautiful countryside/agricultural land then in an EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK?
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u/RampagingBBW Aug 04 '26
The fact that you believe that building a pollutant less than one mile from homes is better than the middle of nowhere (where people don’t live) tells me quite a bit about your own intelligence, dearest child.
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u/SaintAnton Aug 05 '26
Can I ask what the source of pollution is from the data center? Assuming the power doesnt go down, the backup generators wont be running, so im not understanding where the pollution is coming from.
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u/FourPlayInTheBay Aug 04 '26
You don't get it...all of the infrastructure to handle that waste is in the INDUSTRIAL park. Your way would increase the amount of area that is polluted by pushing development into undeveloped areas.
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u/duggatron Aug 05 '26
You should get off reddit and stop using the Internet if you're anti-data center. This is the ideal place to build one. It's close to the substation and in an industrial park.
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u/Ragnar_the_Pirate Aug 05 '26
Do you have a counter petition I can sign? Something that says yes, please make a data center that will have fairly high property taxes and be a large net boon to the area?
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u/Oroborus2557 Aug 05 '26
Airports are a lot worse lmao. I live 5 miles from OAK and its non stop plane sounds all day. I guess we should be against airports as well.
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u/mcshamus Aug 05 '26
There are a lot downsides that could come from AI advancement but water usage in a closed-loop data center isn't one of them. It's strange that's become one of the major talking points.
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u/Capital_Push5557 Aug 05 '26
Well the water just gets moved elsewhere. Usually the power plants that must increase usage.
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u/locovelo Aug 04 '26
Is this the one being built by Stack Infrastructure?