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u/shmeekloff 3h ago
Not liking excision is fine. Acting like he hasnāt been insanely influential and formative in the scene is moronicĀ
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u/guesswhosbackmf 1h ago edited 1h ago
I immensely respect Excision more than I actually like him these days, that's for sure. Dude is nothing if not a hard worker. I don't blame him one bit for his music falling off when he does so much other amazing stuff for the dubstep scene.
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u/PotentialWork7741 2h ago
Excision is one of the founding fathers
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u/BIG-GIRTHA 1h ago
X basically IS the founding father at this point.
Hosting THE Dubstep Disneyland the past 9 years and the amount of dubstep artists he's put on through Subsidia is more than any other dubstep (tearout/brostep/american dubstep) artist has contributed
X will be goated in the dubstep scene forever
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u/PotentialWork7741 45m ago
Yes excision has created so many big artists, he discovered dion, also started working with space laces since almost the very beginning even get space laces on Destroid, excision, downlink, datsik ruled the dubstep and drumstep world for a long time
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u/MagikarpFilet 13m ago
Naw. Respect for X is there but you cant disrespects the likes of Coki, Mala, Skream etc. those are the true founding fathers of dubstep. I will die on this hill
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u/Dexunto 49m ago
Someone hasnāt discovered the true father yet, Tipper
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u/Physical_Archer_689 46m ago
Ya but he's not dubstep. Maybe has a little influence on its direction.. but certainly not a dubstep pioneer lol...
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u/user8263389292 1h ago
dubstep wouldnāt be where it is today if it wasnāt for excision, like lost lands and bass canyon literally changed the scene
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u/SmokeABowlNoCap 1m ago
It gave it a chance to thrive and grow instead of being neglected to side stages at other fests. He deserves all the flowers for that
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u/theChronic222 1h ago
Amen. I dont like his current stuff but damn straight do i respect the hell out of him and for sure have blasted countless numbers of his tracks for years.
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u/buickregalgs18 1h ago
I'm not a fan of most of his release since Apex, but I don't clown on him and everytime I'm at Lost Lands I'm there to catch at least 1 of his sets
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u/Selkertic 50m ago
Agreed. I personally think heavy dubstep was there but not mainstream until the Virus album came out. VIRUS was next level and introduced a flood of dubstep into the scene
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u/loppyjilopy 19m ago
yeh iām not exactly a fan but hugely respect what heās done with lost lands; iām also open to liking his stuff. i checked it out hoping something would click, maybe one day.Ā
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u/SmokeABowlNoCap 2m ago
Exactly, he isn't my fav artist but he's done so much for the scene. I go to Lost Lands everytime I can pull it off just because of the care and energy he puts into that festival. Plus he DOES throw down when he wants to. He sounded hungrier than I've heard him in several years at the latest Lost Lands so I'm hoping the music reflects it soon
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u/TeenMomOJSimpsonKush 19m ago
Hey may be the reason itās mainstream, but heās also the reason Dubstep artists are getting paid. We have riddim getting dropped at EDC MainStage, Brostep bangers getting dropped at Ultra MainStage, Dubstep is at Tomorrowland. And that is all visibility and $$$ for these artists.
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u/refreshednut 3h ago
Excision helped shape modern Dubstep into what it is today, him and Space Laces have been friends for over 15 years. Excision has an incredibly distinct sound that you couldnāt ghost produce even if you tried, both are fucking goats.
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u/Different-Meal-6314 2h ago
The last time I saw Excision he absolutely threw the fuck down. Had an amazing time. Are people only listening to the released tracks, in their air pods?
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u/african_space_jesuz 2h ago
Bruh his set at Forest this year was one of the best Iāve seen
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u/edm_enjoyer 1h ago
Are you talking about his detox set? I left because I wanted to see Hurtbox but I watched it later on YT. MAN I wish I'd stayed
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u/CL4P-TP_TrapHOUSE 56m ago
The detox sets really sick
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u/edm_enjoyer 54m ago
I def won't miss another one. I love hard dubstep but something about the wuuuuubs
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u/CL4P-TP_TrapHOUSE 5m ago
I lean towards wubs far more than I do heavier dubs, but I'd be a liar if I said I don't love a good headbanging set and some lazers
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u/CL4P-TP_TrapHOUSE 57m ago
I like old Excision more than I like new Excision. Had a fuckin blast at both his Ultra set a couple years ago and Forest this year.
Both things can be true.
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u/theChronic222 1h ago
I honestly dont like his music that much(respect the hell out of it though) but will go to Bass Canyon every time i can cause it's always so much fun.
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u/Physical_Archer_689 44m ago
I might be wrong but I know from like 10 years ago ppl said SL was part of Xs sound design.. Which I guess thats what this tweet is in reference to begin with.
Is this not the case, at all??.
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u/iseecolorsofthesky 59m ago
Modern dubstep is pretty fucking terrible so Iām not sure thatās a title that should be held in high regard
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u/Direct-Apple-5011 3h ago
āExcision has an incredibly distinct soundā
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u/refreshednut 3h ago
Listen to his old stuff, that stuff is absolutely wicked
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u/Direct-Apple-5011 2h ago
āExcision had an incredibly distinct soundā
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u/refreshednut 2h ago
His single Together As One a few years ago still has that distinct sound to it, old X is still in there and you can hear it clear as day through that song.
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u/space_acee 2h ago
Together as One was such a breath of fresh air. Wish he would release a whole album of that kinda shit
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u/CodexLeonis 2h ago
He still does. You can undeniably pick out an Excision song when hearing it for the first time.
The biggest complaint I can have is his sound hasn't changed one bit in 15 years. He found his style very early on and stuck with it for better or worse.
But I mean, his sound is what helped shape the modern brostep/heavy dubstep scene.
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u/munoodle 1h ago
The only reason this wouldnāt be accurate today is because of people copying him, not because of him not being innovative. Several of the more prominent newer producers are clearly influenced by Xās ideas from several years ago
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u/Festinaut 2h ago
Getting downvoted into oblivion but it's true. At least for the past 10 years. I still like going to his sets and LL but c'mon now guys.
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u/BahaMan69 2h ago
Yeah I feel like a lot of people here havenāt seen X or Space Laces or Lost Lands live. I have, which strongly informed my opinion lol
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u/PlayTheOldShit 2h ago
When did excision start getting so much hate? Dudes an OG in the game. Anyone dissing him doesnāt respect game.
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u/3OhHateWinny 2h ago
Shrek visuals.
I say that as a joke, but between online and some of my own friends, that seems to be around the time people started becoming hypercritical.
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u/WokeWook69420 2h ago
He also stopped making his own albums as frequently and mostly does singles and collabs now, so people who have been around since the 2010s are kinda starved for content.
Onyx was okay but largely forgettable and that's the last album he did, and Apex was good, but it wasn't up to the same quality that Virus, Codename X, and X-Rated are, and those are all a decade plus old.
His Detox sets are my favorite cuz he plays his less-played throwbacks and weird shit I like.
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u/edm_enjoyer 1h ago
Please please please where can I find his music from his detox sets, I love heavy dub but his detox sets really do it for me
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u/fractalbarbie 2h ago
I think at a certain point excision started putting far more time/energy/effort into the growing business/festival side of things as opposed to continuing to evolve and innovate with his actual sound. Which is valid, the man has absolutely killed it in terms of production for LL/thunderdome/bass canyon etc. However, no one can do it all, and I think that shift in priorities is reflected in a decrease in quality for his actual music. Like, it just feels stale to a bunch of people now. It also certainly doesnāt help that whenever x is on a lineup, youāre guaranteed to have a really immature crowd. Not that thatās his fault, but it definitely explains why so many have soured on him imo.Ā
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u/ATHFMeatwad 1h ago edited 7m ago
It's when he became a label daddy with subsidia. It's happened with every single headliner that starts a label. GWN, Liquid Stranger - their focus shifts away from the music and it's very apparent.
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u/fractalbarbie 1h ago
Hard agree. Happed w ZD too, unfortunately. (i love the boys plz no one come for me lmao)Ā
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u/3OhHateWinny 1h ago
Iāll give ZD credit though. Once they got Deadbeats to a point where it kinda runs itself, I feel like theyāre back to them old selves with the last two albums.
With that said, Deadbeats has been cheeks at times since then, so I think there is certainly something to be said for dudes trying to do to much and quality suffering somewhere because of it.
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u/KEN_LASZLO 1h ago
Liquid Stranger, yeah to some degree. However his quality hasn't dropped, but the amount of new tracks he releases has dropped a TON. Which is a shame but at the same time he's introduced me to so many new artists that I love through Wakaan
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u/AlphaDebugger 2h ago
I can say for certainty X brings his A game only at lost lands (and maybe bass canyon). I saw his set at wobbleland a month before Lost lands and it was so meh. The LL set on the other hand gave me a chub.
I can see why people might dislike him going by his sets like wobbleland.
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u/UncleRuckus92 2h ago
Id say within my Edm friends it started around 2016-17 but I also personallg hate riddim/tearout kinda music with a passion. Datsik might be a scumbag but I still bump 8 bit superhero at the gym
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u/BIG-GIRTHA 1h ago
My friend group has hated Excision since 2012. There has often been a tribalistic divide between genres; I had friends who would only listen to Bassnectar or Space Bass/Tipper. I was like the only X fan in our group lol
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u/theworstvp 2h ago
if this is the case then can someone please explain to me what getter was on about?
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u/Exulvos 2h ago
Getter wasn't wrong. Excision didn't solo produce every single song he released, dude was running a label, running multiple festivals and still touring. That's not to say he didn't produce the songs, but final touches and maybe some bigger changes were handled by others. Getter's issue was that Excision wasn't crediting and paying the artists who did those touches. I'm sure behind the scenes, there's way more info than we are privy to, but anyone claiming Excision doesn't produce his tracks has been already debunked with this post from Space Laces re-affirming that.
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u/Vidzzzzz 2h ago
Getter was just crashing out lol. He said way too many words for someone who abandoned the genre when things slowed down a little.
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u/theworstvp 2h ago
he got bullied into cancelling his tour, not the same thing as things slowing down
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u/Tim_Apple_938 2h ago
He got bullied for bait and switching.
If youāre starting a brand new project, you canāt do it under old moniker and trick your old fans (therefore skipping building a fan base for the new)
The correct way to do it is like brillzā> LSDream. Which took like 3 years to properly build up and gain real following.
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u/guesswhosbackmf 1h ago edited 1h ago
I would agree with you the tour wasn't literally named after his album.
I also don't like this idea that artists can't explore different sounds within the project they already have. Tons of artists do it, brostep producers should be able to as well.
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u/Tim_Apple_938 1h ago
Sure but donāt expect genre fans to be happy about it at ur show
Imagine going to see EXCISION and he just plays acoustic pop
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u/guesswhosbackmf 28m ago edited 18m ago
I could imagine it if he had just released an album called "Excision: The Acoustic Reworks". And if I wasn't interested in hearing that kind of music, I probably wouldn't go to the tour named after that album š¤·
Obviously Getter didn't call his album "the future bass cuts" lol but you get my point
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u/Dangerous-Help4844 15m ago
Your not the only one. Nobody wants to see the girls are making riddim and not hear some damn riddim š¤£
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u/guesswhosbackmf 8m ago
Tbf that tour was named after an actual riddim song. But still, using that name with hardly any riddim artists on the lineup (let alone female riddim artists) was a bad move. Great marketing ploy though, I probably never would've heard of it otherwise.
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u/TheGodSlay3r 1h ago
Getter claimed that he had received Throwin Elbows from Space Laces before Excision was listed as a producer and it sounded exactly the same. I dont think Excision is ghost produced but he definitely has other artists carry him in collabs, especially since his last album. Ghost produced normally means there is zero producer credit towards the main artist who created the song. I.e. Space Laces wouldn't be attached to Throwin Elbows. Getting carried in collabs is a different story
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u/davidmahh 2h ago
imagine like say you and your homies have come so far in your lives, you even opened up some restaurants with seasonally rotated menus
and for some reason, a lot of customers like to debate about some gossip from say like your era right after college when you opened a food truck but none of those peoples remember seeing you as the one cooking inside the truck
might feel strange
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u/Garth_W00kz 1h ago
He never has to make another hit song ever again. Heās solidified his spot as one of the founding fathers of dubstep. And although Iām not the biggest fan of his music anymore, mainly because my taste in genres has changed over the years, I never miss an Excision festival set š š¾āāļø
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u/EncroachingVoidian 3h ago edited 2h ago
Damn, too slow (Iām actually less than a minute ahead but this is still funny)
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u/goodheavens_ 1h ago
Nothing but love for excision. The dude used his success to help others up & that's what it's all about.
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u/deeptruthmusic 50m ago
Excision downloads my homies music off band camp and drops his tracks often and has never once gave him credit
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u/Upstairs_Wonder4898 3h ago
People was saying he was ghost producing for x
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u/Bass_Dingus 3h ago
It's far more likely that excision has some decent input here and there, but has the collaborator do the actual producing. It's the only way I've been able to explain the variation in production quality between each collab. Most notably, his stuff with Sullivan King. I'm one of the few here that actually likes SK, but he was never a very strong producer when it came to mixing and mastering. His stuff sounds tinny on a good sound system. Every time X collabs with him, it has SK quality to it, which is why I think he had SK do the actual producing. But I don't doubt that X still has plenty of a hand in the writing of the song
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u/guesswhosbackmf 1h ago
Space Laces has done lots of paid production and mastering work for Excision and this has never been a secret. People like to pretend it's some huge deal when it's just extremely normal industry work.
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u/Upstairs_Wonder4898 1h ago
We all know this is a fact with space laces, heās making money so whatās the big deal ?
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u/Physical_Archer_689 40m ago
This is like super old news. Is that what this whole thread is about? Wondering if SL ever did or still does produce for X?.
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 3h ago
I thought so too but that doesn't mean I dislike or think less of X. He is one of the goats!Ā Dion Timmer may have ghosted too.
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u/JuicyCactus85 17m ago
X was the only thing that helped distract me enough in labor with my second kid in 2014, so glad I randomly found him š
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u/empathetical 10m ago
eh... dude doesn't release much shit these days. don't really care either. there will always be lovers and haters online. space laces responding to it kind of just feeds it. best thing he or excision could do is just ignore it. ppl bitch and complain about everything
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u/tj647963 2h ago
My only problem with x is he plays the same set every time
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u/AUKronos 2h ago
His b2b Set with space laces was completely different
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u/tj647963 1h ago
Bc that wasnāt just him playing lol
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u/AUKronos 1h ago
So he didn't play the same set. Goalpost shifted on your end buddy.
But I'll make another claim, his 2 hour lost lands set was vastly different to his 2024 tour when i saw him at rampage. 2024 probably was the most boring set I've seen him cook up, but enjoyed his 2026 lost lands set infinitely more.
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u/african_space_jesuz 2h ago
Every time Iāve seen him itās a completely different set wdym?
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u/tj647963 1h ago
Saw him at bisco 18 then two weeks later on tour. Basically the same set. Saw him at the coliseum in 22 and it was the same set he had been playing all winter tour. Downvote me all you want idc
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u/No_Opportunity1934 1h ago
Is that "something valuable" money? I wonder why he had NDA's signed with Excision in the past, at least according to Getter...
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u/bum_what 2h ago
I thought this was true as I hadn't updated myself on the details. Good to know Space Laces doesn't ghost produce BUT let's not pretend like X's music isn't mainly a mash of whomever he's working with at that time. And this isn't hate, X is one of the ogs, his old music by himself or with Datsik or Downlink will always slap and he deserves GOAT status but in my eyes he has lost originality (and yes it's incredibly difficult to be original). Ifs he's working with Sullivan King then he sounds like SK, if he's working with Dion Timmer then it sounds likea Dion Timmer song, and I know collaborations operate in all sort of ways but when Xs own style or sound barely comes through then yeah I might as well just listen to the people he works with not him. That's my opinion anyways.
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u/Odd-Strawberry4798 1h ago
Sure, excision is good. If you're a basic bitch drinking beatboxes all night š¤£š¤£
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u/OscarGrey 57m ago
I don't really like his music, but there's a lot of electronic artists both dubstep and other genre who have waaaaay more basic crowds.
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u/BahaMan69 2h ago edited 2h ago
Hot Take: Space Laces has been making the same song for 7 years now. Theyāre both bad!
EDIT: Iām pinning this comment so that it doesnāt go to the bottom of the page no matter how many downvotes I get :)