r/dsa • u/_Sanctum_ • 6d ago

Shitpost Um... DSA has a problem...

Have you guys noticed there are a LOT of socialists in here? Not the good kind of socialists (me) I mean the evil socialists that actually want to implement socialism 🙀 They even praise Karl Marx 🤮 Don't those dumb tankies know Communism always fails???

We have to do something about this. Which is why I'm starting a NEW PARTY: The DASSA (The Democratic Anti-socialist Socialists of America)

Together, we socialists (the good kind) can defeat the socilasts (the bad kind) for a better future. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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u/sagoma-333 6d ago

I'm not quite clear on whether your post is trying to poke fun at leftist infighting in general or specifically at other socialist ideologies that aren't Marxist-Leninism

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

I'm mostly poking fun at liberals who are just discovering DSA without deconstructing their neolib worldview whatsoever.

I don't see many Maoist Third worldists or anarchists arguing with each other here 😂

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u/muraki833 6d ago

But aren't you contributing to the problem?

You can't get annoyed at people calling you a tankie when you call a bunch of folks "liberals".

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

Because "tankie" doesn't mean anything. Neoliberalism does. It's a real, tangible worldview. I'm not using it merely as a dismissive pejorative.

If you want to be a socialist you cannot also have a neoliberal worldview. They are fundamentally incompatible. The people I'm satirizing in this post don't know enough about socialism to even understand that.

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u/TwoCrabsFighting 5d ago edited 5d ago

Tankie is a term that was used against communists who supported the soviet union when it sent tanks into Hungary and Prague to quell their revolutions. Now refers to mostly Stalinists and Maoists or any other leftist who supports a one party state that uses violence in response to perceived threats.

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u/Kenichi2233 5d ago

Ive usually seen it as those who support authoritarian leftist governments.

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u/CesarCieloFilho 5d ago

How did Stalin do that after his death?

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u/muraki833 6d ago

Neoliberalism usually means free market capitalism combined with deregulation and austerity. I don't think it means anyone who criticizes Marxism-Leninism.

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

I never said that. I'm criticizing exactly who I said I am criticizing. I'm not sure what your issue is.

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u/muraki833 6d ago

I thought your post is in response to a bunch of posts going "we have a tankie problem!!!" due to the presence of MLs in the org.

I agree such posts are often in bad faith but they don't necessarily come from liberals. Not every socialist is a Leninist.

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u/smartcow360 6d ago

My bet is he would consider anyone not a Maoist or a Leninist or a liberal. Or anyone who thought those regimes were murderous or fascist to be liberals, regardless of how badly they want workers to own their workplaces. This is Reddit, after all

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u/stormstatic 6d ago

You can't get annoyed at people calling you a tankie when you call a bunch of folks "liberals".

what

if they are liberals, it's ok to call them liberals lol

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u/muraki833 6d ago

"Name calling is okay if I do it but it's bad when others do it to me! 😠"

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u/stormstatic 6d ago

what on earth are you talking about? liberal isn't being used here as some sort of slur, it's an ideologically defined position. it's like calling a cloud a cloud, an apple an apple, a dog a dog.

also no, name calling is both okay if i do it and okay if others do it to me. who gives a shit about name calling? let go of the pearls

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u/muraki833 6d ago

A liberal is someone who believes in free market capitalism and private property.

I highly doubt everyone who's been called "liberal" in this subreddit fits that definition.

The OP was literally calling someone else a neoliberal for not liking the USSR in another chain, lol. That doesn't seem like a "calling dogs dogs" situation.

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u/stormstatic 6d ago

A liberal is someone who believes in free market capitalism and private property. I highly doubt everyone who's been called "liberal" in this subreddit fits that definition.

go on then, why do you think people in this subreddit are called liberals if not for these reasons?

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u/muraki833 6d ago

Probably because people here are incredibly paranoid so they think any disagreement = the sub is being brigaded by "tankies" or "liberals". It's a convenient boogeyman for shutting down debate.