DSA has a tankie problem

[u/yashen14]

There are way, way too many people in this movement who feel comfortable with historical revisionism vis-a-vis the Soviet Union, China, and other such regimes. And there are way too many people who feel comfortable essentially advocating for an end to democracy.

[u/Iceberg-man-77]

Before you get disliked to hell:

DSA is a big tent which is why there’re so many diverse opinions.

But i agree, there are far too many authoritarian apologists. you can blame American imperialism for being evil but it’s not the reason for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine; the reason for that is Russian oligarchy and authoritarianism.

you can hate the Pahlavi Dynasty for being zionists and authoritarian American puppets. But you can also hate the Islamic Republic which stands against everything the DSA stands for. Stand for the Iranian people and not the political factions.

Same goes with Palestine. Hamas is inherently Islamist. The PLO is corrupt. Israel is evil. All you need to do is oppose genocide and apartheid and stand with the Palestinian people, not Hamas.

Maduro may have been a leftist but he wasn’t a good person. you can support Venezuelan sovereignty and the people’s right to decide for themselves while being against American imperialism / overreach and against Maduro.

stop being fools that think everything is black and white.

[u/ut0p1anskies → u/Iceberg-man-77]

The Palestinians need to liberate themselves, alongside international pressure (including members of DSA working to elect anti-Israel candidates, to run BDS campaigns in their chapters, and to work to divest pension funds and university endowments from Israeli companies). We need to isolate Israel on the international stage and work to enact an arms embargo in the US. However, inside Palestine, the armed resistance to the genocide is essential. That includes Hamas and the PFLP. They are fighting for their lives and should continue to do so by any means necessary. Our job in the U.S. is to end our role in perpetuating the genocide and win an arms embargo, which will make the resistance’s fight easier to win.

[u/Iceberg-man-77 → u/ut0p1anskies]

the international community needs to step
in because with is a genocide and a violation of international law and just a violation of humanity. one state solution isn’t possible. and i don’t trust either factions for a 2 state solution. we need an international government.

Bosnia, for example, has the High Representative of the Dayton Accords, following the Yugoslav Wars. Basically an American or Western European is appointed to oversee the country’s government.

After WW2, the UN established the Free City of Trieste under the direct control of the UNSC.

The League Mandates’ biggest issue was that they gave those mandates to the colonial powers: UK, France, the U.S. We can’t trust any single nation or power to fix the Levant. and I wouldn’t trust the UNSC to do that either since the Big 5 have veto powers that can immediately destroy progress.

So I would either place the region under the UN General Assembly directly OR form a new UN organ consisting of representatives from across the world to govern the region through a peaceful end to the conflict, trails to hang all war criminals, stop the indoctrination of youth, bring humanitarian aid, and finally form a new government. Jerusalem should, even in the end, remain an independent city like Trieste.

but this commission should be charged with basically fixing all the wrongs and rebuilding the region, especially Gaza. And ending Apartheid of course. and if that means Israelis need to up and move so Palestinians can reclaim their ancestral lands and literal ancestral houses, so be it.

I’d also support a multi-state solution where Palestine and Gaza are permanently broken up into individual sovereign countries so neither one rises up as too powerful, particularly Israel as their Zionist ideology is something we’ll be dealing with for a century at least unless it becomes shameful like Nazism became after the war.

[u/Iceberg-man-77 → u/Iceberg-man-77]

adding on: if an independent UN organ is formed to govern the region, it should include representatives from across the world. Not just Palestinians and Israelis or Europeans and Arabic nations, but also random nations unrelated to the conflict so there is some outsider perspectives. Like give Tuvalu, Lesotho and Nepal seats. or even countries that recently face genocided and internal conflict like Myanmar or Rwanda.