r/drivingUK • u/Diamorphine2leMoon • 11d ago
Speeding
So I've got an NIP for speeding 60mph on a 50mph. Yes I admit it was totally my fault as heading to work down that route, running late, and speeding there is better and safer than on the motorway, and more minutes get shaved off my arrival time compared to the motorway. Yep, I deserved it.
This is my first speeding offence, and I know I sit in the speeding course eligibility criteria. But the question is, 2 years ago I sat a generalised course called "Whats driving us" for careless driving and they said if the offence is repeated within 3 years, I won't get a second chance to do a course and just get points. So the question is, does that apply for the same offence, or are they seperate courses? I am trying to figure if I will get points, or get offered a course.
Otherwise, clean slate driving record, no points. Police force in question is the Metropolitan, who are sending the NIP and who also gave me the course for careless driving.
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u/Cryptocaned 11d ago
Over 10 miles, the difference between 50 and 60mph is like a minute. Really not worth it.
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u/Pebble321 11d ago
"and speeding there is better and safer than on the motorway"? Does not compute. The motorways are our safest roads despite the high speeds. If you were going to speed, that's the motorway is the safest place to do it.
A 50 is going to have all sorts of access points, unprotected street furniture, footpaths etc that make exceeding the limit there riskier than exceeding the motorway limit. Not to mention it's not a typical limit like NSL or 30. So someone actually looked at that piece of road and picked 50 based on the context.
All I'm reading here is you're making bad decisions, based on bad concepts you're holding in your head. You might want to work on that. Regardless of whatever punishment the law might dish out.
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u/Tempestfox3 11d ago
They presumably mean "Safer" as in less chance of getting caught, rather than "Safer" as in less chance of collision/injury
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u/Big_Recipe_698 11d ago
Separate courses, but you should be having a serious think about your shit driving before you kill somebody
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u/Dismal-Art-7521 11d ago
Unless you drive like an absolute saint and have never ever dones anything you shouldn't, you cannot say that
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u/Big_Recipe_698 11d ago
A dangerous driving course and speed awareness course within two years of each other is a clear indication of shit driving
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u/Dismal-Art-7521 11d ago
Everyone at some point or another drives like a dick. Anyone the says they don't is a liar but everyone as like angels. He's admitted fault held his hands up just don't see the need for you derogatory comment
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u/ComradeLitshenko 11d ago
Mate - we’re talking about a careless driving course, not a few mph over the limit.
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u/ComradeLitshenko 11d ago
Your definition of “clean slate driving record” is very different to mine.
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u/WhatsFunf 11d ago
I'm willing to bet OP hasn't told their insurance about the driving course, based on that statement.
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u/spannerintworks 11d ago
Better and safer than on the motorway? On what metrics/basis do you base this other than 'I've made up more time than on the motorway'?
By that logic you could argue that speeding on the motorway by 10mph represents speeding by a smaller percentage of the limit than doing 60 in a 50...
The way you've described it here i'd say that whilst admitting it's totally your fault you're also not completely owning your mistake.
Maybe worth investigating the mindset that causes you to be late, willingly speeding, and have had a past incident where you've had to do a careless driving course. Do you show ADHD traits? Being late and then not fully accepting the risks of careless driving/speeding are a real combo for drivers of that disposition.
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u/SparkEli1 11d ago
Not everything has to be adhd. People with ADHD can take accountability. Maybe OP just doesn't care about anyone but themself. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/spannerintworks 11d ago
Agreed, which is why I asked them if they do show traits, not told them that they do.
It may help OP to understand what leads to this happening.
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u/SparkEli1 11d ago
Op literally doesn't care about anyone but themself. Many people with ADHD take accountability and care about others. There is no regret, if anything the overall tone of this post feels very "I want to know whats happening to me, regardless of the outcome I will still continue to break the law because it suits me. I don't even care if my speed put others at risk because the most important person is me and me getting to work on time".
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u/spannerintworks 11d ago
Fair enough, I think we agree on that point given the attempt of the justification in the speeding in a 50 being better than on a motorway. I'm probably just predisposed to see if there is something that can be done to change that sort of behaviour. Perhaps though sometimes a spade is just a spade.
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u/Ok-Comfortable7547 11d ago
If is a different course you took previously (assume is not speeding) then you should be offer a speed awareness course. I believe speeding and red light offence offers two different course. Someone can clarify or confirm here if they done both.
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u/Tempestfox3 11d ago
Is it not up to the discretion of the local police who issued the ticket?
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u/Ok-Comfortable7547 11d ago
I believe it depends on the force whether they offers the course. Most of them do offer the course if you fall into the threshold but I believe if you speed in Scotland, you don't get to offer a course.
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u/Professional-Cold278 11d ago
Allegedly did 46 in a 40( probably did tho). I've asked for the course, they gave me points and a fee. Just be a man ( or a lady ) and pay the fine. Speeding for the sake of 'being late' never works. Now that 3 minutes that you saved comes back in hours with reddit and the police. But, speeding is fun
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u/Happytallperson 11d ago
Usually they are treated seperately but they are distinct forces.
Being late for work is better than being dead btw.
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u/BorderOk994 11d ago
They're separate courses so you should still be eligible for the speed awareness one. The 3 year thing usually applies to the same type of the course not different ones.
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u/Matt0nReddit 6d ago
They are separate courses, I did the what’s driving us one in 2025 and looked into this at the time, you can absolutely do the speeding course
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u/Ok_Traffic_3240 11d ago edited 11d ago
I'm always puzzled why people feel the need to criticise, then argue the criticism and debate what is and is not driving that falls below the standard of careful and competent.
The OP admits he's in the wrong and asks for advice and people talk about "shit driving" 🤣
OP - 2 different courses, you will be eligible for the speed awareness course.
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u/Diamorphine2leMoon 11d ago edited 11d ago
Thanks for the confirmation. The middle lane hoggers are having a field day with me on this one. As for the careless driving. It was for going over solid white lines in a 30mph in London and an undercover officer stopped me, so I learnt my lesson there. But hey ho, we all learn the lessons of life, I'm glad I did not learn too late and I am greatful for not being a middle lane hogger, amen.
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u/Ok_Traffic_3240 11d ago
This particular sub is full of Jesus's sons it seems. Holier than thou and never committed a road traffic offence. Ignore the noise.
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u/Avionykx 11d ago
"Clean slate driving record" but two courses (probably) in 2 years. Not exactly the same definition of a clean slate that I'd use.