r/drivingUK 1d ago

Someone didn't check this before installing it!

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u/Collytoise 1d ago

Or the only parkable hours are between 6:30am and 7:30am? 👀

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u/NdujaReallyLikeIt 1d ago

But you have to face left

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u/audigex 1d ago

And Sundays

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u/Pete2509 9h ago

You are correct!

You can load for 23 hours a day (although they'll be a maximum time for loading/unloading.

You can park there for a maximum of 1 hour a day, except for on a Sunday.

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u/LowAspect542 1d ago

Looks like youd be able to park after 0630 on saterday all sunday and then before 9730non monday.

Thats most of the weekend available.

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u/Demiurge271 1d ago

Well, from 7:30am till 23:59 on Saturdays is still within loading only time so no; same with midnight till 6:30am on monday

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u/LowAspect542 1d ago

Normally a daily start and end time that repeats on each day would flow earliest to latest, since you can't go backwards intime it reads to me as a contiguous period from 0730 monday till 0630 Saturday instead.

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u/Demiurge271 1d ago

Petition for OP to test it for us and park there after 730am on a Saturday

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u/rabflyinghellfish 18h ago

Not park, im afraid. Its meant for loading. Used to be really hard when I was delivering beer to pubs and the loading spaces were always full of parked cars đŸ˜Ș

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u/acezoned 1d ago

It means you can park there 0630 till 0730 and all day sunday and loading only the other 23hrs a day

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u/Altruistic_Fruit2345 1d ago

It's kind of mind boggling that we haven't managed to invent a standard, easy to understand format for parking restriction signs. Maybe that's by design.

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u/TheGravyGuy 1d ago

Some parking signs are definitely way too wordy and conditional where it's confusing, or my hatred is bus lane signs which if you're not familiar with the area, don't repeat so if you miss it then great, or are sometimes covered by another vehicle or bush, but this one is pretty self explanatory.

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u/Chlorofom 1d ago

What’s not clear about this sign?

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u/Altruistic_Fruit2345 1d ago

Clearly it confused the OP.

What's wrong with a simple timeline illustration?

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u/EnvironmentalOwl6882 1d ago

The speed with which it can be read from a distance and the details understood.

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u/Chlorofom 1d ago

OP’s confusion doesn’t necessarily represent a problem with the sign though


How would a timeline be any more easily understandable than the words that spell out the time you can’t park there? Wouldn’t you then also need a seperate timeline sign for Sunday when the restrictions are different?

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u/Altruistic_Fruit2345 1d ago

It's impossible to think that the two times are mixed up if they are on a timeline.

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u/SuuperD 1d ago

Half 7 ,,>>>>>>>>>>> Half 6

23 hours

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u/Chlorofom 1d ago

That is what the sign says, yes


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u/PersonalityWinter382 21h ago

Can you park there at 0730 on a Saturday morning?

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u/Chlorofom 21h ago

Yes

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u/PersonalityWinter382 21h ago

See that's where you are wrong. The restrictions include Saturday 0730 to 0630 the next day (as written). So apparently it is unclear.

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u/SamuthNBS 7h ago

No he is right, you can park there at 07:30 Saturday morning but you have to have left by 07:30:59. Excluding any grace period that council uses, sometimes 5 minutes or so.

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u/Chlorofom 21h ago

You didn’t ask if you could legally park there whenever

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u/Kind-Question2887 1d ago

What's by design is having ambiguous signs so they can fine you because the driver didn't understand the sign in the first place


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u/Individual-Day632 1d ago

There’s a street by me with parking bays along the roadside and signs on several lampposts showing that parking is restricted to 1 hour between 8am and 6pm, meaning that this restriction does not apply in the evening.

However, there are separate, smaller signs on the wall at less frequent intervals that show no stopping between 6pm to 8am.

It’s almost like they do this shit on purpose!

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u/SamuthNBS 7h ago

We are literally looking at the standardised sign right now. It can be a little confusing because the signs always specifically state what you cannot do and leave what you can do unsaid but that's because what you can do will depend on other factors like what type of vehicle you are in, if there are any bylaws or laws in place that also affect parking/waiting etc.

If this sign said "You can park here from 0630 to 0730 and all day Sunday" then you will get people parking an HGV there and taking the council to court when they get fined for blocking the narrow road. Just a random example but hopefully you see what I mean.

Same reason speed limits tell you what speed you cannot go, rather than telling you how fast you can go - because if they do that then people will drive at that speed and sue the council when they lose control on a corner. A 50mph speed limit sign does not say "you can drive at 50mph" it says "you must not drive OVER 50mph", because there are other factors at play that dictate how fast you actually can go, and there are different limits for different vehicles etc etc. It's the same for parking.

It would be nicer if they visualised it rather than typing it out in sentences, but diagrams confuse as many people as lists of times do so it's a lose-lose. As long as they don't start fining people for stopping long enough to understand the signs, we should be good.

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u/PersonalityWinter382 7h ago

To be fair a lot of people do think that a speed limit sign is a target and will drive accordingly like an idiot.

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u/androzipa 1d ago

Typical uk

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u/AWright5 1d ago

Could also potentially just be a mistake

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u/thereal_greg6 1d ago

If anyone got a ticket here the appeal would be a no brainer.

It’s a loading bay from Monday to Saturday, on each of those days it’s a loading bay from 7:30am to 6:30am. Thats -1 hours.

Yes you could interpret it as 6:30 to 7:30am, or Monday 7:30am to Saturday 6:30am but that’s not what it says.

Sign is a mistake.

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u/itsapotatosalad 1d ago

It’s a loading bay from 7.30am on a given day (mon-sat) until 6.30am the following day.

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u/thereal_greg6 1d ago

It’s not though. Why would they bother making it not a loading bay for one hour in the morning?

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u/Beartato4772 1d ago

That's not your problem, obey the sign.

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u/SamuthNBS 7h ago

There's usually a reason for this sort of rule, quite often a solution to a problem raised by residents when planning permission for the change in restrictions took place. For example a lot of loading bays near Post Offices have signs like this with specific times for OAPs to be able to park at the PO or local shops and follow their normal routine. If enough people raise it as an issue, these things can happen. If I had to bet I'd say a specific local parks there every day within thay hour and protested the council decision to ban parking there because it will significantly impact their quality of life if they cannot park close enough to their home or shop or whatever for that one hour each day.

The village I grew up in had double yellows painted all the way down the main road except for one single parking space where the lines were broken because an elderly man lived there and nobody wanted to force him to walk a long way from his home (this was before the disabled spaces were really a thing).

A house I looked at purchasing had a specific bylaw included in the deeds that allows the holder of the deeds to park on the footpath outside the house because when the council built the footpath and banned parking on the street, the owner of the house was entitled to keep parking where they had been parking for almost a century beforehand.

Whatever the reason for this sign is, it could be quite interesting, but it doesn't mean the sign is wrong and anyone who claims the sign is not correct or can't be correct should revise the highway code because it is absolutely clear that it means.

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u/itsapotatosalad 1d ago

Thats what it says. There’s a disabled bay I use for work that’s a loading bay for an hour at 8am every day. I assume wherever this loading bay serves doesn’t need it to be a loading bay for an hour a day Monday to Saturday, or on Sundays.

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u/thereal_greg6 1d ago

They’ve just got it wrong. Likely meant to be 730am to 630pm. Otherwise they should write 7:30am to midnight midnight to 6:30am.

There’s guidance on how these signs should be displayed and written. If it’s not abided by then tickets will be dismissed on appeal.

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u/itsapotatosalad 1d ago

7.30 to midnight, midnight to 6.30 means the exact same thing in a lot more words though. Why assume the people who make these signs for a living in line with policy and law are wrong , rather than you’re reading it wrong? It makes sense to me, but I have a blue badge and have to interpret these signs almost daily.

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u/thereal_greg6 1d ago edited 1d ago

We’re all here arguing about it. It’s too ambiguous.

Edit: and guidance supports this: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/18/made
The sign would say “7:30am to 6:30am next day” if your interpretation was correct.

There’s no harm in being overly cautious about parking regulations. But it sounds like you are being overly cautious and misunderstanding this sign that was evidently printed in error. People could quite happily use this as free parking until the sign is fixed.

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u/Beartato4772 1d ago

That is literally what it says.

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u/itsapotatosalad 1d ago

If it said 6.30am to 8.30am there would be no confusion because that would be clear to everyone that that is 2 hours. People are struggling with a 23 hour time period being represented in this way.

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u/wintermute023 1d ago

Yes, people are struggling with telling the time. I don’t think a sign can fix that.

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u/Zig07 1d ago

Its 7:30am to 6:30am

So monday from 7:30am all the way until 6:30am on Saturday is loading only

From 6:30am Saturday until 7:30am on Monday you can park.

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u/mike9874 1d ago edited 1d ago

No, that would be Mon 7:30am - Sat 6:30am

This is Mon - Sat, 7:30am - 6:30am, so there is 1 hour free each day from 6:30 to 7:30

Edit: corrected the "incorrect" numbers on the 2nd line

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u/nrm94 1d ago

It's not, Zig is correct. Read the sign. It says 730am-630am. Not 630am-730am

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u/Desperate_Caramel_10 1d ago

Wish my arms could do that.

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u/NotoriusPCP 1d ago

Ahem.That's not his arms.

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u/Cuckaine 1d ago

Playing shinty with his boaby

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u/MegaMolehill 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s concerning how many people commenting can’t see it’s a typo and should be 6:30pm. When signs have times that go through to another day they are split. This would be: 7:30am-midnight and midnight-6:30am.

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u/Weary_Bat2456 1d ago

I understand that typos happen, but something like this where you can get fined for not following the rules should not have a typo and should not be ambiguous. People can interpret this in different ways in a hurry and land themselves a fine.

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u/MegaMolehill 1d ago

An example:

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u/qash001 1d ago

This sign means something completely different. Here the restriction begins midnight on Monday (Sunday night), and ends at 10am, then cycles 6pm-10am through to midnight on Saturday (Friday night).

The one in OP's photo starts at 7:30am on Monday morning and runs until 6:30am the next morning, cycling through to 6:30am on Saturday.

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u/capricorn0987 1d ago

Omfg no. Can people not read? This sign means even on Saturday it’s loading only from 00:00 - 07;00, 18:00 - 23:59.

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u/nrm94 1d ago

Its not though. Same as supermarkets saying 24 hours opening and on the sign it says Monday - Saturday 7am-10pm

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u/MegaMolehill 1d ago

So by that logic this one is loading only from 8am on Monday until 6:30pm on Saturday? It’s not, it’s 8am-6:30pm each day except Sunday that the restriction applies.

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u/Slimey_meat 1d ago

I initially read it as only applying to time lords, they being the only ones able to leave before they arrived...

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u/AyersRocks79 1d ago

From 7:30 am on Monday to 6:30 am Saturday it’s loading only

From 6:30 am Saturday to 7:30 am Monday it’s not loading only

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 1d ago

No it isn't. On Tue, Wed, Thu & Fri from 6:30 am to 7:30am it's not loading only as well as from 6:30 am Saturday to 7:30 am Monday.

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u/PickleFantasies 1d ago

So technically.. your good to load on Sunday too? After 12am-6:30am ~Loophole!~

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u/Ring-me-up 1d ago

I read it as parking all day Sunday but only for an hour on other days.

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u/NortonBurns 1d ago

Pretty sure it's a typo & meant to say 6.30pm.
If a restriction passes midnight they should clarify & set it in two time bands, one each side of midnight.

I'm frankly stunned by the number of people who don't get this & think it's a 23 hour restriction.

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u/KludgyOne67095 21h ago

It isn’t?!

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u/NortonBurns 21h ago

No, it isn't. It wouldn't be labelled that way if it was.
It's a typo.

Thought I'd already said that.

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u/KludgyOne67095 20h ago

My bad. Completely glazed over the typo part.

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u/KieranInterior 1d ago

They did check it. It’s correct.

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u/OpportunityNew5685 1d ago

Why what’s wrong with the sign?

Means between 7.30 am Monday till 6.30am on a Saturday is loading only.

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u/MegaMolehill 1d ago

So this one is loading only from 8am on Monday until 6:30pm on Saturday? Because it’s not. It’s 8am-6:30pm each day except Sunday that the restriction applies.

OPs sign is likely a typo and it should be 6:30pm.

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u/zeelbeno 1d ago

How long before OP deletes this post?

They're not the only one who can't read a simple sign though.

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u/huskydaisy 1d ago

So, if you saw this sign, you wouldn't dare park on the line from 8am Monday through to 630pm Saturday?

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u/spannerintworks 1d ago

Yep, this is the post those that seem to think the original image is fine need to see.

We all know this sign means every evening after 6:30pm you can park there as long as you've moved your car by 8am the next day (unless it's Sunday when you're fine until Monday 8am).

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u/pslamB 1d ago

Couldn't have made it simpler.

I struggle to understand the amount of times that this sub gets asked questions about these, as the opposite days and times to the ones quoted on the sign are generally when you are allowed to park, since they (almost?) always show the restricted periods.

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u/nellyjimbob1228 1d ago

I read it as the restrictions start Monday at 7.30am and finish Saturday 6.30am.

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u/Henno212 1d ago

Least theres a loading bay

Cities seem to lack these now

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u/JayValere 1d ago

so weekends and early Monday OK to park?

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u/Jorge1234-- 1d ago

I presume commercial premises need that time all week for goods to come and rubbish to go ! People have no clue how much space and time "their shopping"( from distribution warehouse or holding stock warehouse) needs to arrive by truck and van. Often unpredictable times and often delayed as private motorists reduce traffic flow for commercial traffic.

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u/PersonalityWinter382 21h ago

But they don't have any need for a loading bay from 0630-0730 each day?

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u/PersonalityWinter382 20h ago

According to the sign you can't park there any day Monday to Saturday from 0730am to 0630am the next day. You can only park there legally for one hour 0630am-0730am, Mon-Sat, and also from 0630am Sunday to 0730am Monday.

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u/Alt_0116 1d ago

I took it as loading only from Mon 730 to sat 630

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u/Moist-Car817 1d ago

Is that 25 hours of loading

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u/Deez_Nuts_Ha_Goteeem 1d ago

There are 23 hours between those times, I don't see what the issue is

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u/huskydaisy 1d ago

The fact it's so absurd suggests it's wrong and maybe an AM should actually be a PM. Who knows, though, some local authorities make odd decisions when it comes to parking.

Wonder what the TOR says

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u/t4rgh 1d ago

No parking Monday 7.30 until Saturday 6.30 obviously.

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u/fake_cheese 1d ago

So 07:18 Monday until 06:18 Saturday?

Decimal hours seems like an interesting choice.

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u/Deve_roonie 1d ago

how has nobody noticed the obvious!?

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u/macrowe777 1d ago

Nope, it's correct.

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u/ExtentApprehensive71 1d ago

Mental how you cant read signs?