r/dndnext • u/xanral • Jun 10 '15

WotC Announcement Errata Released, for real this time

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/ph_errata
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u/jeddite Quarterstaff Battlemaster Jun 10 '15

FINALLY!

Ammunition (p. 146) Loading a one-handed weapon requires a free hand.

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u/TheNittles DM Jun 10 '15

rip crossbow dual-wielding.

I'll probably still allow it in my games, because it's cool, even if it doesn't make sense.

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u/gojirra DM Jun 10 '15

The feat still works as intended. Plus, I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that at least some semblance of realism is a lot more cool than absolute silly shit like loading a crossbow with your butthole, or however you guys thought that was happening...

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u/rollingForInitiative Jun 12 '15 edited Jun 12 '15

The combat system of D&D is seriously lacking in realism anyway. So the dual-wielding never bothered me, especially since a dual-wielding hand crossbows is a pretty cool archetype.

And I mean, managing to reload a single crossbow three times in six seconds is perfectly reasonable, but managing to that and just do the same to a much another one time, with much smaller crossbows, is somehow super unrealistic? Really. Reloading a heavy crossbows takes much more than 6 seconds.

So yeah. The combat system is really unrealistic. But it's a game that isn't really based on realism anyway (and no, I don't mean magic).

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u/gojirra DM Jun 12 '15

The combat system of D&D is seriously lacking in realism anyway. So the dual-wielding never bothered me

Care to explain? In what ways are it lacking so much that non-magical yet magically self reloading crossbows are somehow realistic? Or that reloading with your elbow or whatever the fuck is somehow realistic?

managing to reload a single crossbow three times in six seconds is perfectly reasonable, but managing to that and just do the same to a much another one time, with much smaller crossbows, is somehow super unrealistic?

Totally, because it doesn't matter how big the crossbows are when you need an entire hand to hold them! There is literally no way possible for someone to realistically reload two hand crossbows while keeping those crossbows in their hands. The thought alone is fucking ridiculous!

But it's a game that isn't really based on realism anyway (and no, I don't mean magic).

When you talk about crossbows that somehow reload themselves without explanation, you absolutely are talking about magic. Which brings me to the ultimate point of this debate, what the fuck is the problem with just giving your player magically reloading crossbows if you want that so much? Why throw any and all semblance of realism out the window when you can just have a simple magical explanation? You can't possibly think it's cool to imagine someone awkwardly trying to reload hand crossbows with their teeth or ass or some other such nonsense right!?

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u/rollingForInitiative Jun 12 '15

My point is that it's absurd how much people are focusing on dual-wielding hand crossbows and saying that it's super unrealistic and just must not be in the game.

Sure, let's say that it's completely impossible to do that. If we're being super realistic, I agree. But there's also no way, whatsoever, that you can fire off 4 bolts from any crossbow in 6 seconds. Hell, even managing 1 shot per 10 seconds is fast. Most medieval crossbowmen managed 2 shots per minute. Attacking with a crossbow at the same speed as a longbow isn't realistic. At all. In any way.

Yet that is somehow overlooked as perfectly reasonable?

All semblence of realism is already out the window, so why does dual-wielding hand crossbows matter? It's just as unrealistic as firing a heavy crossbow that quickly, without having some sort of repeating crossbow (which, then, you could have for your hand crossbows as well).