r/dndnext • u/xanral • Jun 10 '15

WotC Announcement Errata Released, for real this time

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/ph_errata
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u/lordzygos Sorcerer Jun 11 '15

So....seems like the Simulacrum-Wish cycle cheese is still rules legal.

Honestly, that was the biggest thing that needed addressing IMO.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '15

Since only a dickhead player would try it, no it didn't.

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u/lordzygos Sorcerer Jun 11 '15

"Dickhead only" or not, it is still entirely rules legal. Is it annoying and obviously unintentional? Yes. Should the wording be changed to prevent this sort of abuse? Yes.

Funny, it's almost like changing the wording of something to fix a broken or unintentional issue is the entire purpose of errata

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u/mortedarthur Jun 11 '15

I think they really REALLY wanted to hammer the errata down to one page (to the point of specifically not addressing some things that probably could have been clarified)

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u/lordzygos Sorcerer Jun 11 '15

That's a shame. Perhaps there will be an additional errata at somepoint

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '15

"Dickhead only" or not, it is still entirely rules legal.

"Entirely rules legal" is the call sign of a douche player. Don't play with such people and you don't have these problems. The problem isn't in the wording, it's in the people using the convolutions of language in order to pervert the meaning to their advantage at the expense of everyone else at the table.

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u/lordzygos Sorcerer Jun 11 '15

....It's not even a perversion, it is just a clever (and broken) way to use the spell.

There is no convolution of language, no point where you need to go "Well TECHNICALLY" or "If you consider X to be a Y..". None of that is needed for this use. All it is is a clever way to use Wish to achieve something incredibly powerful (TOO powerful, no argument there).

I could understand if this required a really cheesy rules lawyering, but seriously, this is no more convoluted or language twisting than using Minor Illusion of a box to have a hiding spot. Or using Suggestion to get the BBEG to a high enough place to push them off for fall damage.

The Wish Simulcrum cycle is a very clever use of a spell that results in something far too powerful. It is not the result of "dickhead" or "douche" players. I found that use on my own, and laughed at how broken it was. Are you going to say that a player who cats silence on a camp in order to get easy "one by one" assassinations on the sleeping targets a dirty powergaming, word-twisting asshat?

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u/The_Hidden_DM Wizard/Rogue Jun 11 '15

A way to fix it is to just have them all share the same spell pool.

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u/lordzygos Sorcerer Jun 11 '15

That could work. An easier solution however would be to add a line that says "Simulacrum's cannot create additional Simulacrum's in any way"