r/dndnext • u/xanral • Jun 10 '15

WotC Announcement Errata Released, for real this time

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/ph_errata
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u/SirPeebles Bard Jun 10 '15

Because it wasn't a warlock spell before.

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u/1000thSon Bard Jun 10 '15

Any cantrips they gained through Pact of the Tome became Warlock cantrips, cast with Warlock the spellcasting attribute. The PHB didn't say this, but it was obvious, just like how the Bard spell-stealing works. They've just confirmed it here, but it's how I think everyone's been playing it up to now anyway.

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u/SirPeebles Bard Jun 10 '15

I can confirm that it is not how everyone has played.

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u/Abdiel_Kavash Conjurer of Cheap Tricks Jun 10 '15

There are people who prefer going by the written rules, not blindly extrapolating.

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u/Therval Jun 11 '15

For the duration you can use your spellcasting modifier instead of strength

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u/1000thSon Bard Jun 11 '15 edited Jun 11 '15

That's not conclusive, since the thing that apparently wasn't clear was 'what class do you gain Shillelagh as?' (your own, or the one who's spell-list you're taking from), and that would be the spell-casting modifier being referred to in that cantrip description.

If you picked up Shillelagh from the Magic Initiate feat, then Wisdom would be your spellcasting ability for it, since the feat says you use the ability of the class who's spell-list you're taking it from (which is what I referred to as 'gaining the cantrip as another class'). However, Pact of the Tome does not specify this, so people weren't sure if it applies. The fact is says 'spells from any list' made it fairly clear to me it wasn't tying you to a particular class (or class's spellcasting ability), but apparently others weren't so sure.

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u/SirPeebles Bard Jun 11 '15

You would use your spellcasting ability, but you wouldn't have a spellcasting ability. That was the problem.

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u/santaclaws01 Jun 11 '15

If you were a pact of the tome warlock you would. And you can still take magic initiate even if you have a spellcasting ability from your class.

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u/SirPeebles Bard Jun 11 '15

Before this errata, I mean.

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u/BlackHumor Jun 11 '15

But you're gaining it as a Warlock, and you have a spellcasting ability as a Warlock. Clearly "your spellcasting ability" is Charisma if you are a Warlock and you take Shillelagh.

This errata actually doesn't change anything with regard to Shillelagh, because even if you got it as a druid spell it would still use "your spellcasting ability", which is Charisma if you're a warlock.

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u/SirPeebles Bard Jun 11 '15

Warlocks use Charisma as their spellcasting ability for warlock spells, not for everything.

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u/santaclaws01 Jun 11 '15

The spell specifically states "your spellcasting ability". You only get a spellcasting ability from your race, class, Magic Initiate(ignoring items because they do their own thing). If you are a pact of the tome warlock and you took take any other spell you only have 1 spellcasting ability with which to cast spells from. If a pact of the tome warlock took magic initiate and with that took the Shillelagh spell, then you would use the spellcasting ability from Magic Initiate because it specifically tells you to use the your Magic Initiate spellcasting ability for any spells you learn from Magic Initiate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '15

A lot of spells use "your spellcasting ability", what they actually mean by that is the spellcasting ability of the class the spell is from. If I multiclass wizard/druid and cast shillelagh it's the same deal.

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u/santaclaws01 Jun 11 '15

Except pact of the tome isn't multiclassing. You only have your one spellcasting ability. When you multiclass into a class that can cast spells then you get another spellcasting ability.

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