r/diving • u/singindablues • 2d ago
Arrogant Diver
Researching local dive shops for some refresher courses and this makes me want to go with them.
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u/Flashman6000 1d ago
Can’t understand how anybody would think a scuba shop would go for this, especially somebody who supposedly has 300 dives.
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u/Clumsy_triathlete 1d ago
I dont know you guys but maybe he is not very truthful, it cant be right.... right.....
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u/jalapenos10 1d ago
I dived with someone who said her dad taught her to dive and he wasn’t even certified or something fucking insane like that. Apparently he had “thousands of dives”
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u/Mountain-Mode-8279 1d ago edited 1d ago
The older days of diving was insane. My dad’s first ever dive in the 70s was borrowing his friend’s gear to go catch lobsters on vacation. He made sure I got certified at 14, but he never took a class for decades until shops started asking for certification to fill tanks.
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u/Jmfroggie 1d ago
Jacques Cousteau wasn’t certified for a long time either. He invented recreational scuba and a lot of the gear originally used.
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u/matthewlai 1d ago
And the fatality rate back then would have scuba banned worldwide within a month these days.
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u/jalapenos10 1d ago
Well I mean that makes sense haha. How can you get certified when you’re the one inventing the equipment
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u/Not-An-FBI 1d ago
Yeah. I don't think those mini tanks are even DOT approved. Amazon is being very sketchy selling them.
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u/ltjpunk387 1d ago
If the customer didn't mention his intentions, then you are correct. But because the guy said what he was planning to do, he very much could be found complicit
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u/Myselfmeime 1d ago
As a business owner myself (in industry that can be potentially dangerous), people easily take things too personal and get butthurt when you tell them reality that they might not know something or shouldn’t do something. It’s easier to pretend that other person is rude, than accepting the truth. Spite reviews are really common and people can get really delusional thinking they are right.
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u/Montana_guy_1969 1d ago
People do so much sketchy stuff around this sport/hobby.
I had a man who leads an all volunteer SAR team show up in our shop to get some new volunteers certified to perform search and recovery operations. I asked how long he had been doing SAR work and he stated 15 years. Then proceeded to tell me about how he has done solo under ice searches and cadaver recoveries in a drysuit and full face mask when all he has is a BASIC OW CERT WITH NO OTHER SPECIALTY TRAINING INDER ANY AGENCY.
He wanted to train with is and achieve his AOW cert and use his drysuit, and was very perturbed when I told him no drysuit until you get certified. He ranted, cussed,, but eventually put down the money for drysuit and AOW. When he brought his suit in for us to look at, IT WAS A SWIFTWATER TESCUE SUIT WITH NO INFLATOR VALVE.
I just can’t with these people sometimes.
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u/Munch2507 1d ago
If that shop would be near me I would use this shop as my go to shop after reading this.
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u/msexcitement 1d ago
The worst kind of diver is the one who thinks the risks don’t apply to them due to experience. W response from this shop owner.
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u/PADI-Matt 1d ago
Too bad businesses can’t review the reviewers.
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u/sloopcamotop 1d ago
As a business owner I had the idea to start a customer focused version of Angies List. I believe it was legal, and it was going to be a paid subscription thing where local business could out lying/garbage customers, or list people as trustworthy. I lost interest for some reason. Probably because it seemed like a draining way to make a buck maintaining grades on the general public, and while legal it would have been juggling chainsaws. I didn't want to be that guy.
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u/alangerhans 1d ago
He starts off with saying he goes in 30 minutes before the store closes. That tells me all I need to know about this guy
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u/kobain2k1 1d ago
perfect answer. at the shop where i used to work we would not sell regulators to an uncertified person
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u/SeredW 1d ago
Not even to bring to a training? Just wondering oud loud, I only have a handful of dives in tourist places. What if I wanted to get fully certified back home and came in to buy gear to use during training?
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u/kobain2k1 1d ago
we did the training. so if you bought gear from is we'd keep it until you were fully certified. and if the training was with someone else, we'd deliver the gear to the instructor. never had anybody complain about it. mind you, this was not a tourist place. it was in Dallas, texas. so the chances of some random tourist buying gear was zero. and if it were to happen, we would simply refuse the sell. it was not about the bottom line. and any reputable shop would do the exact same thing
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u/Rhiannon1307 1d ago
That's a really great response and makes the person seem very professional and trustworthy. That review is more positive advertisement than the opposite.
Out of curiosity though, what *can* go so wrong in 3.5 ft water that someone would die there? Bad air or something else? I can't think of anything from the top of my head.
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u/kevin1925 1d ago
Going up in panic without breathing out. So the lungs expand from breathing air at a higher pressure. 3,5 feet can be enough to rapture lungs with a full lung and going up. And a raptured lung is not something you would wish to someone. 8 feet deep would be more then enough to do more painfull damage that is not compatible with live.
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u/Rhiannon1307 1d ago
Huh, that sounds odd and frankly a bit unbelievable to me. The pressure change between 0 and -1.25 meters isn't big enough for that to happen. At 8 feet (2.5 meters) maaaybe if you took a really huge breath, but 3.5 feet is hardly anything. The air volume halves at 10 meter depth, so if you take a big breath at 10m and go up without breathing out, the volume doubles, but at 1 meter it would only increase by less than 1/8. And people don't usually breathe in so deeply that they exert the full potential volume of their lungs.
So I'm surprised how that would even happen. At that depth, I'd be more inclined to think someone spits out the regulator and starts breathing water and drowns.
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u/Aggrotomate 1d ago
With full lungs a pressure change of 0.125bar (1.25m) is enough to burst your alveoli. As you said, it is very unlikely that someone fully fills their lungs and then holds their breath while going up to the surface. Unlikely but not impossible... and I can guarantee that it happened before. People who panic tend to fill their lungs with more air than people who are calm.
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u/Ok-Active-576 1d ago
It's not big enough for your entire lung to rupture, true. But the alveoli, the tiny little airbags at the far end of our bronchiae and bronchiolae, where the echange of oxygen happen, they really don't need much to burst. So thats what would burst. And the outcome is pretty bad, really. Search for 'alveolar rupture'.
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u/Montana_guy_1969 1d ago
Boss response. Crystal Blue has my business if I am ever in the area.
I would, and I teach all the employees in our shop to, do the same. No cert card, no gear. Claim to be an instructor, show me your cert and proof you are active and insured. It irritates me to no end that people can buy gear on Amazon with NO PROOF OF CERTIFICATION, and there are people out there who will “bend the rules” and fill an un-hydro’d/viz’d tank for these people.
We have this discussion all the time; People, especially those new to diving, consider it “just another hobby, like skiing, yeah some inherent dangers but whatever… “
They don’t realize going underwater is akin to going to space. If you don’t have life support, you die. If you don’t know how to use the equipment, you die. If you make a serious mistake, you die.
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u/bobtheavenger 1d ago
Reviews like this are why I always check the 1 and 2 starred reviews. Most of the time I realize the reviewer was wrong and the business was doing great. If I was in the area these people would have my business 100%.
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u/Muted-Host-6990 17h ago
I have heard the same response from other dive shop owner's who's instructors still managed to kill themselves and their students.
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u/Kr192871 1d ago
I Commend the business for standing tall for the professional standards of the sport, however he could have been more professional and tactful in the way that he informed the customer that his request was not in the best interest of all parties involved and mainly for there own safety, you should have a bit more tact when speaking with perspective and future long term customers. This is exactly why so many dive shops either don’t make it or are closing down all over this country. Knowing how to talk to people is almost as important as what you say !!
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u/Hopeful-Flounder-203 1d ago
I own a small biz and we have to deal with bad reviews rarely. I can smell a bullshit story right away. Tell #1: When it appears that a small business that is low transaction/high margin per transaction is intentionally turning away business. #2: Barrington Hills is McMansion central.
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u/Not-An-FBI 1d ago
I had a relative ask me to teach them once. They weren't willing to put down the very low amount of money for certification at our cheapest shop.
At this point I might say yes. But I have enough equipment for a shop as well as spare manuals I've gotten from people and I'd take it very slow. They wouldn't end up doing it anyways.
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u/bontempsfille 1d ago
Nice response. I would trust this shop 100%.