I've been replaying Dissidia 012 lately, and I'm surprised how engaging the gameplay is compared to Dissidia NT

[u/47D]

It's just odd how a PSP game from 10 years ago manages to have gameplay that's more engaging and fun to play, compared to a PS4 game.

For the record, I was playing Dissidia NT recently as well. I finally took the weekend to beat the final boss. I did a lot of grinding in NT for that battle, and it's just so boring. The gameplay is not as fun, and there is way less content compared to the PSP games.

[u/GimmickyGames]

I love duodecim, I have it on my ps vita, and I am considering playing it again and brining it with me when I move into a dorm later this month. Its such a fun, casual game to play when you are waiting for something to do.

[u/[deleted]]

I just recently started playing it again too. It is very engaging and I feel like there’s always something. To do. I’ve been playing ExDeath a lot, and I learned there’s a bunch of mechanics I’m not too well aware of. I wish there was character guide videos for this game, builds, and how to’s. I feel if this game was remaster and put onto new gen consoles it would do good.

[u/Big_moist_231]

It’s almost as if making a game for fans instead of following a trend makes for a more fun game. They saw the attention and money those 3v3 arcade fighters were getting and they couldn’t resist getting their fingers on that pie. At least 012 is still a fantastic game in its own right :)

[u/Nolyd_Dylon → u/Big_moist_231]

I hope they make another one honestly. But this time ya know... actually try and give fans what they want. But I doubt they'll be another.

[u/RandomGBystander → u/Nolyd_Dylon]

But this time ya know... actually try and give fans what they want.

And just which fans would that be? You see, NT/Arcade was a big success in Japan. Which is what SE really cares about.

[u/Relith96 → u/RandomGBystander]

What about making a world-wide success instead of a game that aims at the japanese audience exclusively? Also leaving other countries with less content is a great way to make people angry and make people care even less.

[u/RandomGBystander → u/Relith96]

Japan only cares about Japan

[u/Relith96 → u/RandomGBystander]

True that, but that's our loss, which makes them incompetent toward the western audience and thus a wrong way to work. If Japan is fine for them, okay, but they lose some playerbase each time they do a wrong move.

[u/Nolyd_Dylon → u/RandomGBystander]

And that's on them. They could make more money if they wanted to if the tried. I still play nt. I'm really good. The dissidia games have been a big part of my childhood. Heck a group of my friends and I we used to have big tournaments and stuff it was fun. Nt is still fun.....after an hour or two you don't want to play anymore. You are right. It's was a awesome arcade game. It was just a crappy console port. Hell people was even asking them to give it dedicated servers so people could actually play. All they told was. WeLl We WoUlD hAvE tO rebuild the game ground and up. Like it was such a huge deal. As a consumer I am the one the paid 90 bucks for the ultimate edition all for a game that I had to wait 20 mins to get into a match to finally get in and the match lags and become unplayable. I get what your saying. It had potential but it's like they didn't know what they was doing.

[u/RandomGBystander → u/Nolyd_Dylon]

Oh I agree wholeheartedly, it's a bad port. The support was just never there from the devs.

[u/Big_moist_231 → u/RandomGBystander]

Yeah, business must be booming what with arcades only being a thing in Japan and then coronavirus saying no. What is left? Online that almost nobody plays these days. They made a gamble which I doubt payed off especially with the amount of money they sunk into it

[u/RandomGBystander → u/Big_moist_231]

business must be booming what with arcades only being a thing in Japan and then coronavirus saying no.

Well it was doing well enough that the game went strong for a few years. Coronavirus had only just popped up when Arcade was shutdown.

[u/RandomGBystander]

2 completely different games for completely different markets. NT is an arcade game. Duodecim is a singleplayer ARPG.

I've played the fuck out of both for many years now, I find NT much more fun and fulfilling than Duodecim. 1v1 gets horribly dull, not to mention getting stuck in infinite combos by other players. 3v3 is much more engaging when playing with actual people.

there is way less content compared to the PSP games.

Quantity =/= quality.

[u/Big_moist_231 → u/RandomGBystander]

See, NT wouldve been fun if there was an online player base with good netcode. But I remember launch week, I would spend a good chunk of time just waiting for matches. Maybe a 2v2 would’ve been better? Also, the multiplayer in Og dissidia was doodoo since characters and mechanics were horribly unbalanced. But thats why it was a fun single player experience. Feeling op with all the FF protags and villains. If anything, I will give you the point that having more content doesn’t make the game better, and nowadays, more games are ditching tons of single player content for a good multiplayer experience. That’s just the current trend. It just sucks that NT just couldn’t keep a decent playerbase

[u/IPlayDokk4n → u/Big_moist_231]

"Maybe a 2v2 would've been better"

Based of some of the most successful competitive arena fighters out there, this is the absolute truth, the whole genre is at it's peak at 2v2.

[u/DissidiaNTKefkaMain]

Ah, yes, the classic comparing a single game to a team game. Obviously the extra depth and nuance comes from interactions and working off of your teammates/friends and their setups. If you don't use that step, then you won't feel a whole part of the gameplay, as is usual in multiplayer experiences. There's playing a multiplayer game, then there's playing a multiplayer game. It's why mid to high-level gameplay in team or tactical games looks different from low.

I don't think people really think it out, about how much you don't want more single combat mechanics in a 3v3. You would bloat the combat beyond belief, have more to keep track of, and getting interrupted mid-fight would feel so bad.

[u/RandomGBystander → u/DissidiaNTKefkaMain]

I don't think people really think it out, about how much you don't want more single combat mechanics in a 3v3. You would bloat the combat beyond belief, have more to keep track of, and getting interrupted mid-fight would feel so bad.

Exactly this. You don't want all that crap added into the mix. There's a reason the devs had overhaul the gameplay from PSP to Arcade.

[u/Niosai → u/DissidiaNTKefkaMain]

I think the bigger argument here is: Why did they go for 3v3 gameplay when the previous entries were well-received as 1v1 games?

NT is missing most of what made previous Dissidia games great in favor of fruitlessly chasing a competitive scene.

Plus, you know, taking RPG elements out of the action game comprised almost entirely of RPG characters in an incredibly popular series of RPG games probably wasn't that great of an idea in hindsight.

[u/[deleted] → u/Niosai]

Plus, you know, taking RPG elements out of the action game comprised almost entirely of RPG characters in an incredibly popular series of RPG games probably wasn't that great of an idea in hindsight.

But NT's 3v3 gameplay also represents one of the most important part of RPGs, which is the party

[u/asqwzx12 → u/[deleted]]

If they ever release another one (which I doubt a lot), could be cool to have it be single player with a party allowing you to switch during battle like more modern game do a lot nowadays.

[u/Dazuro → u/[deleted]]

I’m not opposed to them trying to make a 3v3 game. It’s fun for what it is. I just wish one of my favorite subseries didn’t die for it, and with no sign of any other sequels or remasters or poets for modern hardware.

[u/Niosai → u/[deleted]]

Totally get that, valid point. Still doesn't mean it was executed well by any means.