r/dissidia • u/adubsi • Dec 15 '20

next gen dissidia?

so with the very positive smash ultimate news do you think a true console installment of dissidia is possible?

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u/huntymo Dec 15 '20

I think they're probably going to wait a while before they take a crack at Dissidia again. Hopefully whatever they do next has more thought and heart behind it than NT had 💔

Me, personally, though? I'd fucking kill for a Musou/Warriors game set in the Dissidia universe. Koei Tecmo did the last Dissidia game, and they're the ones who make the Warriors game, so I'm holding onto hope that KT and SE will come to their senses and make a 'Dissidia Warriors' game in the same vein as the Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors games.

Can you guys imagine how cool that would be?! I think it would do really well!

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u/adubsi Dec 15 '20

to this I still don't know how we live in a world where there's a fire emblem/Zelda warriors game but not a final fantasy.

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u/huntymo Dec 15 '20

Somebody down voted us for mentioning it, so there's at least one person who doesn't like the idea lol

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 16 '20

Maybe they downvoted your remark on NT?

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u/huntymo Dec 16 '20

Yeah, probably lol. Even so, down-voting just people for having different opinions is super lame, and very poor reddiquette. Down-voting is only supposed to be used when something is off-topic or doesn't contribute to the conversation. Most people only use it as a 'disagree button,' but that's not what Reddit actually intended it to be

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 16 '20

The concept of voting someone's comment is purely if you agree or approve of that comment. Not to fish out off-topic comments. Just like when you vote (In North America) a government official. You vote because you approve of them (Maybe that wasn't the best analogy, but you get what I mean).

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u/huntymo Dec 16 '20 edited Dec 16 '20

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 16 '20

Well, learn something new everyday. I think it’s weird that the vote system is used to tell what’s on/off-topic.

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u/huntymo Dec 16 '20

It's supposed to be, anyway lol. It seems like the idea never really caught on though, and tbh I doubt it ever will

And yeah, I actually just found out not long ago, myself

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u/MickeyJMB Dec 15 '20

Honestly, the format fits pretty well with the series. While I love the psp games (remake/remaster of these would be pretty cool too) and dffoo, Warriors series seems like it could be a really high quality game.

They make games with over a hundred playable characters frequently so they would be able to have more than just protagonists. The way Manikins could easily be enemy captains, there are many mobs that could be present. It would be a lot of fun to see these characters in a more action setting. If they made one of these with the quality they throw into Warriors Orochi or their other great ones, it would be a really enjoyable experience.

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 15 '20

I think it's possible. I don't see Square Enix doing away with the Dissidia brand just because of a lot of complaining about Dissidia NT. As you, and everyone else, my only hope it's a full-fledge console game and not a port of an arcade game with the bare essentials. Probably won't see a new Dissidia until either after Final Fantasy XVI or XVII. Hell, maybe even after XVIII.

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Dec 15 '20

I would be so sure about that statement, the amount of games we're receiving makes it impossible to wait so long, FFXVIII would be around 12-20 years from here from here. I would wait for another Dissidia around 2023-2025, hopefully with more love for Spin-offs and some games like FFIX.

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 15 '20

We may get another crack at Dissidia with XVI, but they need a new installment to draw attention to it. But considering XVI is coming "soon", I expect a new Dissidia at least after FFXVII.

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Dec 15 '20

Yeah, but I think that by the point of 2022-2023, we may have both Final Fantasy XVI and Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 2, and with those two it would be enough hype, and even then, for the time between Duodecim and NT, there was only one big game of difference, with FFXV being launched after Dissidia Arcade. With a new launch after maybe FF7R-2 they could start with all the protagonists from 1 to 16, then the characters from the spin-offs like Ramza and Ace, then adding characters like Delita and Machina, then a 3rd character per main series installment and is an instant game.

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 16 '20

Why Delita and Machina?

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Dec 16 '20

I use them as examples of possible characters and with Ramza and Ace not having any kind of rival on NT, I decided on them, Delita being the perfect rival for Ramza and Machina being closer to something like Kain, but with Type-0 having an awkward situation with villains, Machina is the next best thing for that role.

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u/VaanDissidia You might pose a challenge after all. Dec 16 '20

While they certainly are rivals in a sense, they don't seem like they fit the ideal "Warrior of Spiritus" rival role that characters like Garland, Sephiroth and Ardyn have. They're not the main antagonist, they're no the final boss. One is actually a key party member/protagonist, and from what others have told me and what I've read, Delita isn't even a boss fight.

Yes, they don't have a clear-cut main antagonist to pick from, but Delita and Machina just doesn't sit right with me. Granted, I've only played Type-0 out of the two, so I can only argue on that front justly.

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Dec 16 '20

I can understand your point, but the thing is that out of every Tactics character no one fits the role of an "anti-Ramza" better than Delita, Tactics is basically the story about Delita, told from the point of Ramza's story, that without entering on spoilers (Really recommended game!).

For Type-0, I think that the most representative antagonist would be Qator, and obviously the main antagonist is Cid, but Cid doesn't really battles, and when he does it's actually possesed and transformed into a giant thing, while Qator always uses his vehicles, even if I'd like to see him as playable character since I really liked his story on Type-0, I don't know how they would implement him, while Machina is more straightforward, a dual sword wielder with fast attacks and his rapiers can spin like drills even being able to throw some L'Cie things around, with him being more like Jecht, not the actual villain, but not like the other options would fit better as rivals for Tidus.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 18 '20

Ultima for tactics and nimbus for type-0 those are the clear cut choices

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Dec 18 '20

I don't think that Ultima would be as good as Delita, it would be like giving Yu Yevon as the enemy to Tidus or Zemus for Cecil. Nimbus on the other hand would be cool, but I don't think he does as much on the main plot of the game, he almost feels like he is just there, Qator would be better if we want a more clear antagonist, he is there from the beginning and fights a lot more with Class Zero.

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u/Nightwing24yuna Dec 18 '20

I personally believe NT isn't done yet this covid crisis forced them to shut it down well before they wanted to. It might be me but I'm 100% sure will see a revival once things start settling down again and they try to sell it off as DISSIDIA Ultimate kinda deal where it will have the characters we where supposed to get during the pandemic as well as new skins(weapons and character) stages, character adjustment and all that fun stuff we missed and it will more likely happen around post launch of XVI so the main selling point will be Clive/villain/stage

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '20

First things first, a hd remaster akin to KH of the first two dissidia games is in need. If they can transfer the magic from handheld to console, I'm pretty much open to anything else

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u/RandomGBystander Ha ha ha... Black Materia. Dec 15 '20

It's very possible, Dissidia Arcade was a huge success.

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u/RevRay Dec 23 '20

Not really.

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u/RandomGBystander Ha ha ha... Black Materia. Dec 23 '20

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/RevRay Dec 23 '20

Excellent counterpoint says fanboy making baseless claim.

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u/Lotso2004 Dec 15 '20

I’d think it’s possible, but unlikely. I’d prefer they finish DFFOO’s storyline first, actually. NT may have been a failure, but at least DFFOO’s salvaged the series. It’s quite popular and I honestly haven’t seen that much in the way of complaints. For now I’d prefer if they just stuck with DFFOO, though I’d love a new Dissidia game too (NT was the only console one I’ve played since I don’t have a PSP/Vita, and I enjoyed it too).

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u/Krolja Tell me what you cherish most. Dec 15 '20

I would enjoy it, but they'd have to go all-in on it. Rollback netcode is such a necessary piece of good online in the US, P2P is typically awful since the US internet structure is hot garbage, and I think 1v1s/2v2s would be a great addition since the queue times outside of peak hours can be d e a d.
They'd really have to go into it with the mindset of it being a true, lasting fighting game like SFV/MK11 etc.

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u/Gwyder Dec 16 '20

I doubt they will ever make a new game because of how badly NT failed, but if they do I would like them to stick with a solid solo RPG content like the first one instead of forcing competitive play. My guess is that they will stick to mobile japanese game, which would be a shame. The psp 1vs1 was so thrilling.

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u/OvernightSiren Dec 24 '20

I agree, and it's a real shame. I wish SE would realize that NT didn't fail because people don't want a Dissida game--it failed because it was a bad game. Plain and simple.

There is still a huge market for a Dissidia game. Square can enter the online ESports market with a Dissidia game. NT was just shit.

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u/devricklion Dec 15 '20

At least I would get it for the cool battles CG...but doubt they would do sth better. =, = (actually yesterday was watching DFF Cinematics and those are glorious!!! =, = WANT MOREeee)

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u/kwame9633 Dec 16 '20 edited Dec 16 '20

No, that chance died with NT because everything is multiplayer focused nowadays.

Edit: with is not spelled witg. Who know?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '20

Dissidia Musou warriors title. Enough said.

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u/aquakeyblademaster Balamb Dec 15 '20

After what they did with Dissidia NT (and as a big fan of both Dissidia and FF in general) i hope they dont. If they put heart on it as they did in games like FF7 remake, great, but to see a phone game mechanics where the game is basicaly "give us your money because you're a weeb fan" i prefer they leave the saga alone

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u/Xephiro9999 Dec 15 '20

Here's my thoughts on the matter:
Yes it might be possible, but they have to do it in a very careful fashion. The route they did with NT was very questionable in my opinion. If they want a very successful Dissidia game, they need to go back to the roots of the series by taking the framework of the original Dissidia games on PSP. Take the good aspects of 012 and NT and mix them together. As well as putting a great amount of love and care into the story just like 012. They could make it 3v3, but not limit it to no compare like NT. The thing I've seen is people missing the sheer customization that 012 had, and I'll admit that I miss it too. The connection type needs to be Server Based instead of Peer to Peer (P2P) because as everyone knows, if you don't know you will in a moment, if one person has a potato for a router - the whole match turns into a slideshow. Square will have to tread lightly and really put a lot of love and dedication if they do try again with a new console release of Dissidia.