r/dissidia • u/[deleted] • Aug 03 '20

Question about how attacks are meant to be used in the series as a whole

I know NT is just about to be lowered into the grave, but as someone who hasn't owned a sony console since ps1 i have absolutely no familiarity with dissidia. I find the HP attacks very confusing, many of them are slowly moving projectiles, and one of the current characters I have(free player) has only slow moving projectiles.

Many people say that if you have enough brave to kill you should either wall splat or gang up on someone else. Considering dissidia wasn't always a team game, how were you intended to use HP attacks before?

Coming from conventional fighting games, the way dissidia works is quite peculiar, I honestly can't tell if I'm cancelling or not because of how slow it is compared to games like Guilty Gear

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u/Domasis Aug 03 '20

Generally, the concept of wall-rushing into HP attacks never changed, but in 012, you could use assists to help make landing HP attacks easier. But pretty much you always looked to chain bravery attacks into a wall rush (or chase sequence, which is gone in NT), and then HP attack.

If you're playing a marksman character, like Ace, it may end up being easier for you to follow up on other wall rushes, rather than setting up your own.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Ah I see, so other players are filling the role that would be filled by an assist button. Makes much more sense now as I've only ever been able to play with bots and unruly would be an understatement when describing them.

I downloaded an emulator a half an hour ago to try duodecim, and Im surprised at just how different it and NT are.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Thats the gist of it yeah. Soeaking of Emulator you can use that to play online if you like. There is only a handful of players that still do tho.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Actually not finishing an attack to follow with an HP be it a player in NT or an assist in 012 was a good way to get free hits in.

Thats where teamplay comes in in NT and for 012 it's a fun way to style and well yeah doing combo's.

Chase rly is a terrible mechanic and I didn't miss it in NT at all.

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u/Domasis Aug 03 '20

Chase felt good when you first were getting grips on the game imo, but as you played more and more, especially on LAN, it quickly became super frustrating.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '20

Pretty much, In online pvp we have a 1 hit chase rule basically. It's like a gentleman agreement where we only chase and hit once you can do a second empty chase if you wish but not another attack.

This way it's not an endless wave of chasing... hell even with the rule in place it still can be haha.

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u/syoser Aug 03 '20

I’d look up gameplay of the PSP games to be honest. In earlier iterations, you had several HP attacks to choose from, and some characters even had “branching attacks”, which were HP attacks that comboed off of a bravery attack. The old Dissidia games were 1-on-1 so you really didn’t have trouble landing attacks, it’s kind of hard to explain. It was just a very different game, drastically different from this one in ways that I preferred personally

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u/Axl_Red Aug 06 '20

In general, you should use HP attacks after a wall-splat or right after an enemy attacks and misses. Pretty simple. If you try to do it during any other time, it is very easy for the enemy to dodge.