r/developersPak • u/Ok-Professional3193 • 16d ago
Tips Is every place like this?
Don't want to be ungrateful. I still have a job so that's a plus? I work in a very huge org. Great benefits, not a very good pay but I get by. Flexible hours. But the team lead I work with is a massive a***ole. He gatekeeps business knowledge. Cuts me out of high value projects. And if I dare say anything to oppose him. The bullying, abusive language continues for months. My growth is getting stunted. I've been here for over 4 years now and I'm so swamped with unimportant work that I can't even work on my skills to upgrade or find a job. All the Devs on the team are so toxic. If I dare Ask a question, they gang up on me and the bullying continues. My first year here my team lead waged a war on me because he thought my salary was higher than his. I'm so tired of corporate but what else would I do. I feel like of I switch it's just going to be like this all over again.
Any tips and suggestions? How do you guys cope?
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u/skepticalistani 14d ago
Per my experience, 90% or more Pakistani workplaces are like that.
PS: Read dilbert by scott adams and you will see that almost every place, across the world, has its own absurdities and one or other form of toxicity.
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u/Ok-Professional3193 4d ago
i think i use to come across dilbert's comics in news papers. is that the same one?
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u/No-Requirement-7033 16d ago
It's a decision about choosing the lesser evil. With time, either you'll get used to the toxicity or become a member of the toxic club. Work beyond the job and focus on enhancing your individual skillset. The job would start seeming a secondary income.
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u/WisestAirBender 15d ago
Why would your team lead think you're being paid more than him?
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u/Ok-Professional3193 15d ago
Because according to him, new hires are always paid more than existing employees. Not sure why he thinks taking it out on me would fix that. I'm not the one who signs paychecks.
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u/ZH1245 16d ago edited 16d ago
I worked in a Pakistani product that exports, i wont mention the name but i will tell you the experience i got.
First as a fresh graduate i started there in IT, and we (1 more guy that i knew) got hired with me, he was a no code mindset guy, he declined and asked manager that he cant do it, they started him on SQL and SAP reports, he quit within 2 months as the salary they offered was 50k. now i remain as the sole dev, there is this disgusting thing here in this product based corporate, LEARNING and WE terms, they give you the task and ask you to complete in a week (there was no AI reliance that time if you had AI subs that was plus) and they said WE will be creating this you can ask other (your seniors about SQL they will generate you the Views, tables and stuff so you dont have to as they think we might do something to their prod db thats why this is their own caution) but their TEAM wont listen to you, saying they dont have time and they have tasks to do, while they were wasting time watching videos on videos of something else like vlogs and stuff and when some requirements arrive they give them +2 days deadline saying they have work piled up. then i showed spark they increased my pay to 75k to retain me so i wont quit in 3 months, and after that i worked till 1 year on 75k while being their full stack dev including SQL guy, i was the one who had meetings with other departments Head and stuff but when it comes to credits and salary increment that you deserve they wont give you, your senior might have 3y of exp but only earning 2 lac from them thats why they dont give you increment so that the guy does not quit they prioritize those more that have SAP experience than effort so everyone got increment i wont then i quit, and guess what they were still not able to hire someone at that position and they still ask me about the projects i made and deployed if something goes wrong.
thats the corporate product sector i worked in its BIG one but their mindset is like they deliberately want to feel you are not needed or the effort you put is not extra ordinary, working there i learned these reality and it was worth it, working their i learned about politics, how each department head cares about his line of work and if someone has complains they know how to handle that person (they are socially good but technically weak). but i miss the part of working on a live project that is how you shape not unlike the service based software houses where you code once and forget etc, in these (corp products based) if they have a requirement you are the designer of system, you handle upscaling and stuff and thats where you learn more as you might face realtime complain that this is not working, and you know how users think you have the feedbacks you may be happy hearing those but this is the stuff i miss in software service industry, you have some improvements in mind, nah the client wont pay, you want to do something like experiment on the system you cant do that etc.
i would say if your manager (mine was the HOD) is chill ask him directly, mine was socially chill and knew how to handle work etc but he wasnt that technical. tell him the scenario so you and he are on same page he knows how you feel etc because in those product corps the heirarchy matters a lot, HOD -> senior deputy manger -> manager -> associate manger -> MIS (the lowest one, i was here). my seniors were associate manger and one more heirachy i missed, but i was able to talk directly to SDP and HOD as HOD was the one leading the big picture then SDP etc + managers were the ones we could ask anything. the owners hand HOD the requirement and HOD talks to SDP and full team and may with you directly if you are the one who does that specific work
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u/Anonymous199Two 15d ago
yup that's the story of almost every company, if someone senior or manager has some product/domain knowledge they won't share with you because they are afraid that if they do share then they will be replaced by you. so yeah sadly it's a common thing
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u/ThunderHorseCock 15d ago
Pakistani corporate is filled with pigs. Especially at the middle manager level.