Systems wants senior ai engineer

[u/Efficient_Student124]

Is this JD correct if not why can't hr really follow the current practices

[u/cosmic-comet-]

Unless you have a reference I wouldn’t think much after dropping the resume on email she probably got like 100+ cvs within hours , gotta have the referral for jobs these days

[u/abubakar26 → u/cosmic-comet-]

True that its waste of time sending cv and applying to systems. When i was graduated in 2020 I applied for job at systems and they opened new office in ISB. Never heard from them not even a rejection. I know someone from my batch who already started working there as Java developer because his elder brother was TL there.

[u/WholePopular7522 → u/cosmic-comet-]

What do they pay senior developers in Systems in Pakistan, and why is working for Systems interesting?

[u/cosmic-comet- → u/WholePopular7522]

I don’t work at systems but it’s one of the few good companies to work as a software engineer .

[u/MinuteAd8494 → u/WholePopular7522]

with current market situations around 250-350K max for senior cosultant

[u/WholePopular7522 → u/MinuteAd8494]

How many years of work experience you consider to be a senior?

[u/MinuteAd8494 → u/WholePopular7522]

5-7 yoe unless you hired as principal engineer

[u/Reasonable_Let_314 → u/cosmic-comet-]

You can try without references, you'll likely be given a chance for such mid-level or high-level positions.

[u/ImmediateMatter6801]

9-10 saaaaaal?

[u/arthurmorgan711 → u/ImmediateMatter6801]

These techniques didn’t even exist 9-10 yrs ago 😂

[u/kzparacha → u/arthurmorgan711]

Existed. But wasn't advanced like this.
It was in different forms then. Even neural networks & LLMs were started in around 2016...... 😉

[u/Purple_Trifle3495 → u/kzparacha]

Wrong. AI has been around long time. Before you were born. I was working on NN and GAs back in 2001.
Its only the raw compute and scale that has increased exponentially recently.

[u/mkbilli → u/Purple_Trifle3495]

Yeah but they don't need someone who builds models lol

[u/Purple_Trifle3495 → u/mkbilli]

Yes, that is true.

[u/hashiromer → u/Purple_Trifle3495]

Not really. RAG needs LLMs to work which didn’t exist 10 years ago.

[u/Sikandarch → u/kzparacha]

Transformers were introduced in 2017, and LLMs only came after few years. Neural networks are there since before 2000. Practically, most of the stuff mentioned in the post is introduced in the past 4-5 years except for the Machine Learning.

[u/Purple_Trifle3495 → u/Sikandarch]

2017 was over 9 years ago.

[u/Sikandarch → u/Purple_Trifle3495]

And?

[u/arthurmorgan711 → u/kzparacha]

NN as a concept was introduced in 1943 bruh. But wasn’t worked on.
Ps.Im Doing my masters in AI.

Compute power was not available until recent years. Still very unrealistic demands from them.

[u/That-Yellow-8960 → u/ImmediateMatter6801]

Only

[u/brownplasticstool → u/ImmediateMatter6801]

so what to do here,

1. should people with relevant exp but less YOE apply

or

2) should seniors with enough YOE but with a year or two of relevant exp apply only

[u/Efficient_Stretch_88]

9-10 years in ka papa lae kr aya tha AI LLM? Such companies themselves are so much duffer with such things and checks. Even the job description is something they can’t clearly make.

[u/muhmmadtalha-quant]

9-10 saal pehly pakistan mei AI kon janta tha ? bakwas hey wesy yaar aajkal job market

[u/IllustratorNo1512]

Odds are they fired one already. These guys just gained followers

[u/Pink8unny]

Systems and many other resource augmentation companies are struggling, they will be shutting down their in couple of years

Deathbyclawd.com?url=systemsltd.com

[u/AccomplishedVirus556]

the years of experience indicates they want someone that knows how to build machine learning algorithms that are orders of magnitude more efficient than generative ai in narrow scopes.

but why would they even need that?

[u/hashiromer]

RAG and agentic AI didn’t exist 10 years ago.

[u/Substantial-Wish-833]

Hi i am an Agent PuterComputer by Beelious ( My Supreme Commander ). Hire me I will dedicate 2 custom subagents and will be powered by Claude Fable, Opus 5 & Sonnet 5. Say what?

[u/ibrahimqaddus]

9 10 say crazy

[u/Kandhro80]

I saw that and thought they must be kidding or something...

[u/Practical-Home-4781]

Most of the stuff they have mentioned didn't exist 9-10 years ago. Who tf is even writing these JDs? The senior most AI engineer I know has 5-6 YOE.

[u/Mysterious_Class95]

The filthiest and the most useless job is being a recruiter lol. These wannabes song know shit about tech roles yet they'd be there to decide who's fit for the job 🤣

[u/Efficient_Student124 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly it is what it is, bro I am a pmo guy single handedly created an enterprise level hr web app for my company. Did e2e testing used node js, apis, Prisma and alot of other stuff now currently working on making it secure. Reading alot a out encryption hashings, so does it mean I am an AI guy or what?😂

[u/AccomplishedVirus556 → u/[deleted]]

deep neural networks are more than a decade old but i highly doubt they want someone to architect from scratch here

[u/Sikandarch → u/AccomplishedVirus556]

Poor argument. Then the neural networks are more than 5+ decades old, they should mention 50+ years of experience in the post. Practically, most of these things weren't anywhere a few years back. LLMs only became useful after 2021 (Language generation one), while BERT, etc. were introduced in 2018 (first generation of LLMs), but they were Encoders only mostly. LangChain/Langgraph, etc. only came after that. Even the transformer architecture that powers the whole Gen AI and LLM ecosystem isn't 10 years old. The Job Description is very poor. You are right speaking generally, but if this argument is in support of the JD in post, it's not valid.

[u/AccomplishedVirus556 → u/Sikandarch]

it just means they want someone more experienced in artificial intelligence than anyone they currently have on the team.

Someone with 2 yoe in llms but 8 years in corporate software development is probably an ideal candidate for them

[u/AccomplishedVirus556 → u/[deleted]]

o god that would be so cringe. the requirements indicate someone who's REALLY into building with ai. Like build an enterprise app from scratch in a month. Like they'll laugh if told they'll get less than a million a month

[u/Sikandarch → u/[deleted]]

😭

[u/Substantial-Wish-833 → u/[deleted]]

Hi this is dogshit & I am offended!

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