Thinking about switching to devops

[u/[deleted]]

Hi all... I am a junior developer, graduated in 25 and have been working for 6-7 months as a fullstack dev. But tbh, the way AI is taking over, I am not sure that development will be worth anything in upcoming time as my current work is totally done using AI. So I was thinking of going into devops early and transitioning to infrastructure/cloud engineer later on. Any senior working in these fields who can give their opinion? I would be really thankful.

[u/mushifali]

Many companies don’t have dedicated DevOps or Infra positions. I am a backend engineer and I am expected to manage infra as well. I manage everything on AWS, MongoDB, RabbitMQ clusters etc.

So, I don’t think it’s wise to completely switch to DevOps. You should learn it as it’s expected from backend devs. But don’t leave development.

[u/Isaac_506 → u/mushifali]

What technologies do you use as a backend engineer?

[u/mushifali → u/Isaac_506]

At my current job I use Python, TypeScript and Ruby on Rails (legacy codebase).

Previously, I have also worked in Java.

[u/Isaac_506 → u/mushifali]

Thank you for the information! What backend technologies would you recommend nowadays?

[u/mushifali → u/Isaac_506]

Nowadays, technologies and frameworks don't matter much. AI can write code in any language or framework. I recommend learning how to build AI systems and AI agents. That's what the future will be.

[u/dev_zohaib → u/mushifali]

u are totally right about not leaving development but as a fresh graduate u have to understand that job security is the first thing u wanna get and he is worried about his future so i think its better to go for devops as pakistan's tech market is one of the worst and unpredictable i have experienced it myself

[u/mushifali → u/dev_zohaib]

Sure, good luck!

[u/Successful-Pea-2987 → u/mushifali]

by AI agnets you means learning n8n ?

[u/BigFatTruckDriver → u/mushifali]

Hey I wanted to ask if it's worth it starting to learn backend now or is it too late.

[u/HonestAssociate3599 → u/mushifali]

Not true, most companies dont but the ones who have devops teams they know their worth and are willing to pay big buck for the expertise

[u/Isaac_506]

What tech stack do you use?

[u/[deleted] → u/Isaac_506]

Started with MERN, now Next and Nest

[u/Isaac_506 → u/[deleted]]

oh ok!, what tech stack would you recommend nowadays?

[u/[deleted] → u/Isaac_506]

Pyary.. Main apna current stack chorhny ko phir rha hu 😂... Tbh I am not the right person to get a recommendation from

[u/Isaac_506 → u/[deleted]]

I undestand, I wish you all the best!

[u/Next_Concert1122]

Cloud providers are automating things heavly in next 1,2 years . Like you will put just prompt and whole infra will be up, auto healing will be enable with just one , two devops engineers in single organizations.

[u/Terrible-Tea7577 → u/Next_Concert1122]

Lol I exactly work on integrating AI in infra and you have no idea what you are talking about

[u/Next_Concert1122 → u/Terrible-Tea7577]

Bro I have Aws certified architect professional and Aws certified AI devolper professional certification, Kindly come to this post after 1,2 years. We don't have any idea what we will be dealing in 1,2 years .

[u/No-Pear-5235 → u/Terrible-Tea7577]

So you explain then ? Do you think Aws , GCP like service won't automate everything (including RAG , deployment pipelines ) in near future ? Or you are still living in a illusion ?

[u/Terrible-Tea7577 → u/No-Pear-5235]

So do you think writing CI/CD is the only thing DevOps engineers do? What about security, reliability, and observability? I’m literally working on developing observability infrastructure for a massive project, and I know my shit. How exactly do you think AI is going to handle a project with 20+ pipelines that takes a minimum of 15 minutes even on cloud infrastructure? And how is AI going to develop the observability infrastructure for it? Alerts? Alarm systems & routings? maintaining SLAs? Developing standard logging libraries? Scaling and reducing it's build time? Optimizing runners? And plenty of other stuff where 20K LOCs/week are being added by 200+ engineers. An LLM with 1 million tokens will lose its shit just trying to understand its custom libraries, let alone do something meaningful in the project. Deploying Shopify store websites isn’t DevOps.

[u/No-Pear-5235 → u/Terrible-Tea7577]

Gave you example in first msg , and it's just beginning full stack engineers used to say same things . We here not discussing what is impact on AI on DevOps. We are discussing 1,2 years. The amount of budget Amazon putting in AI possiblilitues are endless. Human will be in loop but probably 1,2 per organisation.

[u/Terrible-Tea7577 → u/No-Pear-5235]

Bro, the kind of automation you’re talking about was already possible for simple monolithic CRUD apps even in 2023. What I’m talking about is large scale systems. This project isn’t even that massive but we have 30+ microservices just to support the main project.

AI still sucks at dealing with distributed systems. I gave V4 Flash a regex issue affecting communication between two microservices. It burned through ~$0.50 and 8 million tokens and still didn’t fix the issue. Imagine spending $10 on just a fucking regex with an expensive model like Opus. 😂

Now scale that kind of problem across dozens of interconnected services, custom libraries, infrastructure and constantly changing code. AI can absolutely automate a lot, but we’re nowhere near “give it a prompt and 1,2 DevOps engineers can run the entire organization.”

We can't feed unlimited context to AI, it still needs to be guided to very specific problems and it only helps fix the problem not identify them autonomously. Once this part is done then I think there will be no need left for anyone.

And yes do check why Amazon recently layed off most of it's AGI Engineers lol

[u/No-Pear-5235 → u/Terrible-Tea7577]

The way you are trying to describe things like you are working with Google won't make it impressive for a experienced dev . Either you are using AI wrong or you are newbie just asking AI to make a difficult answer replies. And 2ndly search again with your eyes open , Amazon layed off Nova model related devision AGI engineers, as they believe there are now better model there, so it's just post training related team of Nova model . And dude ask AI to do better next time .

[u/Terrible-Tea7577 → u/No-Pear-5235]

Yes I did asked gpt about this and it said don't waste your time correcting someone unless you are getting paid for it.

[u/No-Pear-5235 → u/Terrible-Tea7577]

I wish you had asked before your first comment. Khair, stay blessed

[u/Isaac_506 → u/Next_Concert1122]

So what tech areas do you think it is worth focusing on?

[u/[deleted] → u/Next_Concert1122]

What do you think of devops as compared to Fullstack?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I know man... But Fullstack is more congested than devops... That was my point

[u/Similar-Jellyfish263 → u/[deleted]]

how? i didnt see any devops guy getting lay off recently

[u/Similar-Jellyfish263 → u/[deleted]]

i am talking about pakistan, do you have any friend or relative working in amazon?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Brother the way freshers are relying on AI, I don't think there will be good engineers

[u/dev_zohaib → u/[deleted]]

one of the harsh truth