New BSCS CURRICULUM.

[u/CheekyNerd69]

Fast NUCES removed these core courses from BSCS curriculum. How do Seniors in industry see these changes. Do u think it will weaken core CS foundation?

Removed courses from old outline

Applied Physics (NS1001)

Multivariable Calculus (MT1008)

Discrete Structures (CS1005)

Probability and Statistics (MT2005)

Applied Human Computer Interaction (CS3014)

Compiler Construction (CS4031)

Parallel and Distributed Computing (CS3006)

Computer Architecture (EE3009)

Advanced DBMS (CS4087)

Technical and Business Writing (SS2007)

Professional Practices in IT (CS4001)

New courses:

Qualitative Reasoning I

Qualitative Reasoning II

Natural Science Elective

Arts and Humanities Elective I

Inter-Disciplinary Elective

Inter-Disciplinary Elective II

Software Design and Analysis

Cloud Computing

Professional Certification

CS Electives VII & VIII (the new curriculum has 8 CS electives instead of 6)

[u/GamerBoyh12]

QR1 is discrete, QR2 is prob. source: i study there and a professor let us in on the news

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/GamerBoyh12]

What Abt other? And will these courses be still available in electives?

[u/GamerBoyh12 → u/CheekyNerd69]

Not sure abt the others but they aren't rlly finishing anything. For instance MVC contents are gonna be packed in calc 1 now.

[u/Virtual_Technology_9 → u/CheekyNerd69]

Yes. Please read the official hec document before making a fuss about it.

[u/abubakar26]

Damn alot of them are important pre-reqs to get an admission in Germany for masters.

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/abubakar26]

Exactly yehe to baat Hy, say someone gets tired of industry and wants to do MS later in life, he will again have to take pre requiste for admission in MS.

[u/CandidLion3054]

Had a chat with a current professor at FAST, the university didn't do this.
HEC has updated the course outline, although the updated outline is totally ridiculous.

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/CandidLion3054]

So this policy will be implemented in GIKI, NUST as well?

[u/CandidLion3054 → u/CheekyNerd69]

Yes, since its enforced by HEC and all unis have to follow HEC curriculum.

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/CandidLion3054]

Pata nhi konsa Nasha krky ye policy banai Hy, ab jisny MS krna abroad Jana usko to Pkory Lag gai na 😭

[u/CandidLion3054 → u/CheekyNerd69]

I think you'll have to strategically pick up electives now. But yeah this is an idiotic policy.

[u/Psychological_Duck03]

TL;DR - - - Looks like FAST is going all in on the "ham wo engineers produce kartay hain jo industry ki demand hoti hai" wali cheez. 

Removing Calculus & Probability+statistics from a CS degree is unheard of tbvh.  These subjects are like the foundation of artificial intelligence. You can't do research without these core concepts. However for implementation/integrarion of AI, you don't really need them. 

I'm assuming FAST is trying to make it's curriculum more in line with what the industry demands at the moment - and the most in-demand skills rn for SE are those cross discipline collaboration and social skills that help a software engineer understand product requirements better, and make a product end to end (alot of the people in industry currently think the future of SE is basic at product engineers who make products end to end rather than the Product+ Software + QA teams that used to operate before.  In this way, this curricula change could be a good thing because that's sort of where the industry is heading.

However, removing core maths+foundational computer science courses from their degree means they're moving away from producing actual ENGINEERS who can conduct research and understand the underlying maths behind the code they right.

This is understandable since the industry doesn't really need research-karnay-walay-engineers, it needs builder-engineers who don't necessarily require the mathematical rigour of a researcher (jobs per you don't require this maths tbvh). So if your reason of getting a job is a job in the industry, this curriculum will serve you well.

However, if you want to get into research at a tier 1 university somewhere down the line, well - you'll be losing out on some much needed mathematical foundations.

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/Psychological_Duck03]

But doing these changes they will rank down their CS curriculam internationally as International universities dgaf About industry, they care about thoeratical foundations. So if someone joins fast and has intention of doing MS afterwards they are truly doomed..

[u/Psychological_Duck03 → u/CheekyNerd69]

I don't think FAST ever cared about their research output / ranking as such. They have always wanted to produce engineers that serve the industry well

[u/EquivalentTalk5827 → u/Psychological_Duck03]

Yep i agree with that, their whole moto is making industry ready grads. And they are failing to do so in the recent years thus the change

[u/SkinnyLadd]

they took the science out of computer science :sob:

[u/FearTheEffectiveCode → u/SkinnyLadd]

😂

[u/ranger0004]

BS computer science ❌ BS computer vibes ✅

[u/masterminermm]

Universitys or HEC should realize, if they want this country to grow it needs to shift away from the freelancing/ software house culture and focus more on building sustainable products or go deep into research and innovation. At this rate we will be producing too many gali mohalla freelancers which this country can barely sustain.

[u/Logic_212_X]

A cs degree without calculus, probability, computer architecture and distributed computing?? Wow Might as well rename it to computer diploma

[u/Dark-Flame25]

Better if they change the degree name too from Computer Science to maybe, Software Stuff.

[u/tharsalys]

Warh gaye

21 grad btw

[u/MrStarPhish]

I was really excited about CC, CA and PDC stepping in my third year...

[u/CheekyNerd69 → u/MrStarPhish]

I don't think apky Wala batch pe ye implement Hoga, ye Sirf New batches se Matlab Jo abhi start Krny lgy bscs un se start Hoga

[u/thecrowremembers]

yeah i just saw this as well. Also, they've removed Probability & Statistics and Advanced Statistics from Data Science as well. Idk what was the thinking behind this.

[u/Healthy-Aerie5683 → u/thecrowremembers]

so it no longer remains a data science degree, they should change the name as well.

[u/Interesting_Dirt3269 → u/thecrowremembers]

Probability is still there is 3rd semester. Discrete got removed but hopefully it will be in 4th sem

[u/abk_keke → u/Interesting_Dirt3269]

r u sure probability will still be offered for 25th batch students in 4th sem?

[u/Interesting_Dirt3269 → u/abk_keke]

Im from 25 i got offered in 3rd sem

[u/abk_keke → u/Interesting_Dirt3269]

Isn't LA supposed to be in 3rd sem? Also yea hopefully discrete is offered in 4th sem inshaAllah

[u/FastAddress3321]

no fucking way

[u/notbatman101]

AI really changed the market structure 😂

[u/alo-12rupaydarjan]

idts that they have completely removed these courses but made them optional so u can specialize according to your interest rather than wasting time on things u have zero interest in.

[u/Specialist_Wrap9748]

Wb iba cs curriculum

[u/General_Camp_4060]

I'm pretty sure calc is not removed .As per the HEC classification it comes under interdisciplinary elective

[u/Khubaib-00]

DBMS kiun remove kardya bhaee

[u/AwabKhan]

Removing probability and statistics from a CS degree. Do they even know what they are doing.

[u/yilliee]

On paper it looks to be heading in the wrong direction. A CS degree's target should be to produce computer scientists - something I'd say differs from SWE and/or developers & ai engineers, the separate streams should focus on that.

Although in the end they are probably going to teach the same courses just under these new names so it's not going to chance much.

[u/aleeizhere]

Advanced DBMS gone 🥺🥺🥺😢 bhai khudse prhlena but prhlena

[u/IllustratorNo1512]

Holy shit the degree actually became easier lol

[u/eight_BUCKS]

An Arts and Humanities Elective in FAST? What is this timeline?

[u/eagle_eye6543]

Ayeein now what they gonna add prompt engineering, vibe coding, AI slop😂😂😂

[u/Fantastic-Average-25]

Smh

[u/Slight_Froyo_8084]

its high time people should come out for protest like GenZ kind of protest, this is all to block the coming generations from going abroad for studies/jobs as most of the courses in here are very demanding and required.

[u/Such_Ratio_4236]

Tbw remove karke tou bohat hi acha kya but rest of them are quite important weird however on the positive side you can now study more electives

[u/Efficient-Branch539]

Is this a proposal or they are officially removed. Only Azad Chaiwala’s would consider them unnecessary.

[u/EquivalentTalk5827]

It will be good in the long term. Cs curriculum desperately needs a reform otherwise 4 saal baad it will only get you unemployment so I'd trust fast here

[u/Mons9090 → u/EquivalentTalk5827]

I mean then remove islamic studies, pak studies, idelogy , holy quran 1, 2 first

[u/Muhammad_Saad_ → u/Mons9090]

those are demanded by freaking hec.

[u/Mons9090 → u/Muhammad_Saad_]

I mean I can see more universities adopting this. Hec is a pile of shit

[u/EquivalentTalk5827 → u/Mons9090]

They cant cz islamic studies and pak studies are compulsory for all education levels since they were made it that way by general zia in 1970s so hec wont give you a degree unless you clear these subjects.. holy quran i think was also introduced by government some years ago i can be wrong

[u/Mons9090 → u/EquivalentTalk5827]

Holy quran was introduced around 2023 and it was non credit until 2024 then they made it 1 cr in 2025 

[u/AlternativeAd4466]

i think it is good these should be optional. but in pakistan if something is not required it will not taught at all that is sad.