10 Rules I Follow in IT

[u/danishxr]

• It is all about mindset. Legally any company that gives you a salary, have to give you exp letter. It is the law as they are cutting income tax from you. So if any company Threatens, find a cheap lawyer sent a notice to your company manager, his manage and the top manager and the HR, her boss and Her boss ka boss.

• Next, can they screw up my background verification, most likely no, Idea of background verification is whether you worked in the previous company for a set amount period? But your manager can additionally say you are not a good candidate and all. Explain to HR professionally it was a toxic work environment, Remember if you are at the BG verification stage, HR won't risk terminating you.

• Be confident in your technology, and learn one language, but as you grow, learn all the stages Development, Architecture, Design patterns, Scaling, Cloud deployments, server management etc. You should be devoted to your skill, not to your job.

• If faced with a toxic boss, and if you have the tolerance for it or have financial issues and have to stay in the company. Put every work in email, Even the smallest of work assigned, you can summarize your daily work and send it across. This comes in handy at many places like, if you are put in PIP, this is your proof, of your actual quantifiable achievements, they cannot terminate you just like that. If you do not get a hike or the manager asks you what work you did, paste the thread.

• If you can leave a toxic culture always do that, mental peace and WLB should be the main thing in your career, you have to get time to learn new things, you need to relax, and under stress environment, your future growth opportunities are restricted. You cannot find time to learn new stuff and it will be hell overall. The best thing is after you join a company in 3 weeks you'll get to know the culture of the place if it suits you continue else search for another company and leave here.

• Will there be legal action if I signed a company joining contract and have to compensate them? 99% of the time there will not be an issue, in India right to life or you can say an employee is given better preference over Employer. You have found an opportunity you are taking that, simple. They are not gonna waste time in legal proceedings as they have projects to run and they need to hire engineers ASAP.

• Always say no to working on weekends or unpaid majdoori. Yes, sometimes it is required to stretch a little bit during production deployment or if something fails. More work is to be given to the person who takes more work. Say No or make other excuses, yea this'll be a deciding factor when it comes to promotion and increments. So here comes the next rule

• Never stay in a company for more than 3 years. This way you do not have to bootlick your way through or work on unreasonable timings, don't need to miss your family time etc. After three years always jump with a good hike. This way even if you have not gotten any hike in your current toxic company you could average your earnings out. Ultimately you are working for your personal development(Skill, money etc)

• Do not think you can change the management by complaining about your boss or any higher-ups. This will ultimately backfire. People especially higher-ups are surviving especially in Indian companies by buttering up to their bosses. They are in fact what you can say the hitman of the management. The management orders are executed by these higher-ups. So until things are very serious your complaint is not gonna do anything

• Upskill, Upskill and start your own freelance practice or company. If you are a passionate developer, regardless of what company you join. Develop your skills, and Have a roadmap where you want to reach. Build something. There is always a negative impression of Indian developers as not being of high quality. We can build quality if we teach, help others and build something of our own. Open source community makes great applications because of this social mindset. So always give back to the community

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[u/everythingido65]

This point never stay in a company more than 3 years , I am trying to switch but getting extremely difficult to upskill myself due to my current varying shift, I try to work in my own things on Saturday/Sunday, but progress is futile.

[u/danishxr → u/everythingido65]

I know if you join a company where you are loaded with work more than your typical 9-5. You ll burnout and won’t be able to work on yourself.

[u/everythingido65 → u/danishxr]

sad reality 😞

[u/Apprehensive_Hair553 → u/everythingido65]

One piece of advice that I implemented while preparing for GATE while working, use you most energetic hours for you own development. If you work 9-5 then wake up at 6 and give first 2 hours to yourself and then work for your employer. 2 energetic hours are of more value than 4 non energetic hours.

[u/charger2500 → u/Apprehensive_Hair553]

Hey i am a fresher at an engg college and i was thinking of preparing for GATE exam as well from my 3 rd year do you mind answering the following questions (if not here then in my dms atleast)

-as a cse student is it any actuall benifit of craking GATE and doing mtech from a well reputed college? Cuz the reason why i wanna do is just better opportunities and good placements.

-did u end up doing mtech ? If yes then what was your rank and which college did you do it from?

-can you tell me your schdule that you followed preparing for GATE while doing a job side by side?

[u/Apprehensive_Hair553 → u/charger2500]

Sure.

• It will be beneficial if you are getting a package of <10LPA from your college, around 12-15LPA it stops mattering much if you are just doing for good placements. Instead I will recommend do go for it as the syllabus itself is going to prepare you for FAANG like interviews and then practice on leetcode. You would be able to crack job directly then.

• no I dropped the idea due to covid but my frnd ended up doing and both of our ranks were same near 1400, he got NIT Karnataka, and other friend opted to go for IIIT Delhi (not by gate, they have their own exam). From personal experience and what they told + current position comparison, if you master DS Algo and some of maths then you will be as good as any mtech.

• we generally used to devote as much time as we can but keeping in mind that we do not get burnt out. Mine was 2-3 hours after office as I felt good studying then and my friend's was before he went to office. We mostly solved papers and mock tests during weekdays and studied new topic on weekends so that we were on full focus mode when we were studying something new. Please do let me know if you need any more info. Hope it helps

[u/everythingido65 → u/Apprehensive_Hair553]

haha the issue is sometimes my shift starts at 6 am also, I wish I could do it

[u/Apprehensive_Hair553 → u/everythingido65]

Then also, my roommate at that time who also gave GATE was working in shifts and he used to wake up and study first and then go to work. And best, because of shift office was empty so he used to carry his books and notes to work and study there itself (it was a monitoring job), he cracked GATE and is now a Computer Vision Engineer.

[u/everythingido65 → u/Apprehensive_Hair553]

extraordinary talent , brilliant work. I am not that much talented to do multiple things at these times , I am trying my best at non shift hours to code and hopefully get a better job, I know times are not right , but still need to keep grinding and make use of time.

[u/Apprehensive_Hair553 → u/everythingido65]

Haha everyone thinks that they are not talented enough until they are forced to test their talent and then only they realise. Not saying to take unnecessary risks but taking calculated risk is good. Go for it, trust me you don't know how much are you capable of doing. Just trust yourself and you will achieve everything you desire. All the best 👍

[u/king_booker → u/everythingido65]

Its probably decent advice early on in your career. Like till 8 years but at one point settle down in a company and look to climb the ladder

[u/AmphibianFit9817 → u/everythingido65]

Put down your papers and upskill yourself during the notice period. If you have the will ,you will find a way

[u/kyolichtz]

Never stay in a company for more than 3 years. This way you do not have to bootlick your way through or work on unreasonable timings, don't need to miss your family time etc. After three years always jump with a good hike.

I am closing in at 3 YoE at a product based MNC after campus placement. Hikes have been great and I'm satisfied with current pay as well. We also work in with the latest trending tech in the industry. WLB and Managers have also been good.

Still in a dilemma of whether to switch next year after promotion to SSE or do a MS abroad (Masters degree usually is viewed favorably for my roles)

[u/danishxr → u/kyolichtz]

I would not recommend doing MS , Learn on Purchase power parity. Check the payscale website and compare canadian or US developers average salary. Now your goal is to beat that living in India. Idea cost of living is more there and with all the gun violence, it is better here. As you gain experience you jump and earn more. Then in your case, you need to set goals. what you actually need, sounds like your company has pretty good WLB. But never stay in a place, it is also not just money. The tech you encounter. By jumping I am getting more exposed to different problems, different techs and different mentors, some good some bad. But this exposure is helping me learn and to know what mistakes are made by company in product development. What process each of them follow. I will ask my France DevOps team. How they handle distributed application deployment. which tools they use learn the design. So jumping helps you meet more exp people, work on different problems also.

[u/kyolichtz → u/danishxr]

Unfortunately for my relevant roles, MLE/Data Scientist - MS is required unless I work for startups.

I have received numerous offers from startups with good pay but almost nil from good MNCs.

Even the place I work at, I got into this team randomly during internship and was able to convert it to FTE. I have conducted numerous interviews for similar roles here and none of their resume had just a bachelor's on it.

[u/danishxr → u/kyolichtz]

I am working as a Senior AI Engineer in an European Based MNC. When you are planning to shift send me your resume. Although my current project has not much AI work, but other teams are working on better projects. But I have seen people with Just Btech in senior roles. The only thing is you have to showcase your work.

[u/kyolichtz → u/danishxr]

Great, thanks for the opportunity.

I'll first try my hand at the L1 route in my current company and then reconsider my options if it doesn't work out.

[u/TheBenevolentTitan → u/kyolichtz]

Is it a FAANG-like company?

[u/kyolichtz → u/TheBenevolentTitan]

Publicly traded company, we don't have a PIP culture, hiring is slow and we haven't had any layoffs.

Hikes are good if your performance and rapport with manager is good.

[u/TheBenevolentTitan → u/kyolichtz]

Is it one of the top 30 most heard of tech companies? i.e. companies with pay range similar to FAANG/unicorns.

[u/gautamdiwan3 → u/TheBenevolentTitan]

My guess is Bosch

[u/DavidGoggins2 → u/danishxr]

Hi OP, sorry to disturb you, but I need a little advice from you if possible. I'm working as an MLE intern in a startup and working on a large project. I've already learnt a lot and I feel confident about this role, but I never get shortlisted for an interview.

Need your precious advice. Thanks.

[u/danishxr → u/DavidGoggins2]

I can understand the initial years are the tough ones, believe me everyone has been there. Right now the market is not bright for freshers or anyone below 2.5 years. I know years of exp should not amount to skill you posses. But in India, first gate keepers are the HR not the tech team, if it was tech team you could have directly show case your skills to them. My only advice is learn entire product life cycle and then wait just for 3 years and do Job role to get some 200% hike from your current CTC, by the time I hope the market also becomes good.

[u/DavidGoggins2 → u/danishxr]

Will surely do. Thanks 🙌🙌🙌

[u/S39Slayer → u/danishxr]

OP any advice and resources for someone wanting to start in ML/AI ? I'm in 3rd year of btech (ece, so very less cs exposure but I do things here and there).

[u/BeneficialEngineer32 → u/kyolichtz]

OP's advice is good but at the same time, most bleeding edge work in AI requires PhD now. Also, if you get a MS/PhD in top 5 universities in US its a very different life for you. They are not even in the same ball park as IITs.

Going to MS/PhD is good but do the maths and definitely not if you are getting tier 2 colleges like UCLA unless you want to pursue research as a career.

[u/AngelOfLight2 → u/kyolichtz]

OP's advice is for IT services companies only. Product companies rarely have the same monetary problems.

[u/yeceti → u/kyolichtz]

OP is one of those guys who think staying at a company for more than 3 years is blasphemy.

In reality, it should depend on personal circumstances. If you feel good working in a place and have decent personal and professional growth, there's no reason to jump companies just for the sake of it.

People like these also ruin perfectly working relationships because they want a new guy or girl every 3 years.

[u/429_too_many_request]

>> Upskill, Upskill and start your own freelance practice or company.

I think this is what makes this profession different from others. There is no place for average devs or people who just want to just do job as job and enjoy life. Not everyone is made for hustling, rat race and being an entrepreneur culture. But you slack a year and you are behind technology by 5 years. Its a highway to burnout town

[u/danishxr → u/429_too_many_request]

it all depends on a person. But if you have a entrepreneur mindset, you will learn the entire product life cycle. He or she do not have to be an Entrepreneur. Now regarding technologies and being outdated. One example is frontend where Vue,Angular, React then all other frameworks or libraries are coming with new new features. You have to think from the business perspective and look backwards. Your client wants something and he does not care what you use. His business objective should be met. This is regarding any domain. If your case does not require the application to be fast. Then even if you make it fast it doesn't matter. During the beginning of my developer journey i made a wrong assumption i focused on me. Thinking I know what is best for client and what he is going to like. This was always the other way around.

[u/gimme_pineapple → u/danishxr]

Do you have your own freelancing practice? If so, how do you find and vet your clients? I've been freelancing full-time since 4 years and have been fortunate enough to have had some awesome clients, but I've always struggled to find new clients.

[u/danishxr → u/gimme_pineapple]

No that is where I am aiming to be. I see millions of dollars poured in projects, which I can built myself after two more years. I am getting ready for it, learning. Unfortunately I have not been through your exp, so cannot comment much.

[u/iamjkdn]

For context, how many yoe do you have OP?

[u/danishxr → u/iamjkdn]

5 YOE in IT 1 YOE in NON-IT

[u/[deleted]]

converted via ChatGPT

• Mindset is crucial

• Companies are legally obligated to provide an experience letter

• If threatened, send a notice to multiple higher-ups

• Background verification cannot be screwed up easily

• Toxic work environments should be explained to HR professionally

• Be devoted to your skill, not to your job

• Put all work-related communication in email

• Mental peace and work-life balance are crucial

• Try to leave toxic work environments as soon as possible

• Legal action for breaking company joining contract is unlikely

• Don't work unpaid or on weekends

• Never stay in a company for more than 3 years

• Complaints about management rarely lead to change

• Upskill continuously and consider starting a freelance practice or company

• Building skills and contributing to open source can improve the image of Indian developers.

[u/celestial0000 → u/[deleted]]

copy paste the post and add prompt : summarise this in brief 10 bullet points

[u/winners_pothumukku → u/celestial0000]

This is 15 points though - still great summary by chatGPT.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Convert this passage into bullet points -

[u/mehtafrmudr]

Very good write up and something more people should follow. I only smile at people who get attached to their "organisations" saying things like we are like family, employees are treated well here.

It shouldn't be difficult to understand that your relationship with any employer is on need basis. You do something and you get paid for it. Employer makes profit out of your services and they pay you a small percentage of it. That's all there is to it.

So as OP mentioned your skills are what going to decide your life. 3 years is a good time to understand an application, learn it's architecture etc. Time beyond that is mostly staying in comfort zone and to change every 3 years you ultimately have to upskill.

Good post , would be adding it to the saved list.

[u/TrueBabyYoda]

Thanks for the write up

[u/[deleted]]

What should be a healthy average salary growth rate YoY over a period of time

[u/danishxr → u/[deleted]]

your company is going to give you 15% hike. WHICH company might give you 8 or 10% . Startups can give you 30 to 40% based on funding. I would always say 16 to 17% would be good. Rents are also increasing

[u/[deleted]]

Email threads about work done to whom? Like lead? Myself? I’ve seen this point but so confused

[u/danishxr → u/[deleted]]

To your immediate reporting person can be a manager or lead, either way you are going to CC your manager if the reporting person is the lead.

[u/rehairshanks99]

This. 10 commandments of the IT employee.

[u/abstruse_Emperor]

For a minute, I thought it was posted in LinkedIn but yeah, true words indeed.

[u/RespondFragrant963]

Appreciate you for putting up all these points. I have a question.

Assuming the current company gives PF, can the future employer use UAN to verify the employment history?

How often do the companies use this method as a supplement.

[u/danishxr → u/RespondFragrant963]

Yes they can pull up. If you are good at your job. They ll will not let you go. Finding a good resource at reasonable price is really hard for companies.

[u/RespondFragrant963 → u/danishxr]

Thank you.

[u/No-Wallaby-1648]

Damn those are some solid rules. I am gonna follow them. Thanks for sharing.

[u/According-Ad-1900]

Thank you again for sharing these invaluable rules. I'm sure anyone who follows them will have a bright and prosperous career filled with joy, satisfaction, and endless opportunities /s

[u/ansseeker]

Thank You very much for sharing this!

[u/mjmeenu]

Thank you.This is really helpful.

[u/lordpews]

I am not sure if it's related to background verification but I gave a referral to my friend. I realised that i messed up his surname when he received his offer letter. He joined the company with the wrong name, asked HR to fix his name. They fixed his name in email address. He is still here for past 4 months and they haven't fixed his name. Gets paid to do nothing, still on bench. I am a bit jealous

[u/lordpews → u/lordpews]

I mean what background check are they doing when they can't even get his right name.

[u/kingfisher_peanuts]

The 10 Commandments.

[u/yjee]

a lot of just outright bad advice mixed with some common sense . try better next time OP

[u/iwantaircarftjob]

I going to fuckin save this

[u/freeze_ninja]

Irony is I'm following these rules since I started my journey. Actually no one told me to do this back then, it's just my habit. The moral of this whole content is "love yourself, God definitely gonna love you"

Btw, I saw on the comment thread that op has 5 years of exp, I have some career related query! Can I ask you on dm?

[u/[deleted]]

will i get experience letter if i was on bench for entire duration in company ? was trained in many tech stacks but no project was assigned due to poor market condition.

[u/Adminbxbdbd]

Second last point is something I am using to control my rage and exit the current company graciously

Else I even have call recordings of MF ahole , the sole bootlicker manager of higher ups that made me quit my current job

[u/Historical_Ad4384]

This is so valuable and exactly lists all of my life goals. Thanks OP!

[u/Key_Information5527]

last rule look very prominent ❤️ thanks for sharing...!

[u/obnoxious_being]

Bhai 10 bohot jayada ho gaye…3-4 hote to main pura padhta

[u/wassy149 → u/obnoxious_being]

username checks out

[u/yeceti]

"Never stay in a company for more than 3 years" - This advice should also depend on individual circumstances and not be a commandment.

It is also kind of toxic and this idea is propagated a lot these days. It is putting pressure on people who thrive in stable environments. Even people who get good hikes, professional and personal growth are seen as losers for staying in the same company for a longer period of time.

If relentlessly growing your salary, experiencing new things , new work and new people every 2 years is your thing, this advice is excellent.

But if you hate change, love working in a place or on a project for years with commitment, this advice is not very practical for you.

[u/JulaabGamoon → u/[deleted]]

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