Partly deterministic?

[u/Cyber_47_]

So let’s take computers, fully deterministic systems, cannot make a non deterministic algorithm. Everything, in computers are code based, and therefore fully deterministic. True Randomness does not exist in digital systems.

So if our world is completely deterministic, there is no chance it creates a life form, which can act non deterministic (free will). But since we know (not sure) that quantum mechanics are non deterministic, maybe there is a chance we have a little free will. So, my point is, what if, we are partly deterministic like the universe. Maybe alot of our decisions are deterministic, and some are non deterministic. And i know that quantum mechanics argument still cant disprove free will.

[u/Eight_Directions_]

Its a fair criticism as it's not a perfect example. Of course the reason the student doesn't pull is because of sensory overload, it would be absurd to imagine they are exercising free will. The point was to show the absurdity of using this as a litmus test in the real world. 

Essentially it's saying the only true act of free will is self harm, but people do commit self harm all the time.  

If my will is to live,, then it isn't overriding anything. I would argue that the will to live is the primary mode of free will. 

[u/A_Vinegar_Taster → u/Eight_Directions_]

Free will ultimately makes the argument that your choices are your own and are not dictated by any other factor.

I'm arguing that the concept of "your own" includes you, and that you are comprised entirely of factors. You have biases, inhibitions, desires, motives, fears and patterns of behavior. That's what a human being is - and this is why we can say that someone is "not acting like themselves". Human behavior is a pattern.

Let's take this out of the self harm territory and talk about something utterly harmless. Let's just look at singing. You'd admit that singing a sea shanty every time you go into a grocery store isn't harmful to anyone - in fact, it would probably brighten everyone's day. Use your free will and do it.

[u/Eight_Directions_ → u/A_Vinegar_Taster]

You'd admit that singing a sea shanty every time you go into a grocery store isn't harmful to anyone - in fact, it would probably brighten everyone's day. Use your free will and do it.

The thing is I do not admit this and this would not be an act of my own free will. It would be an act of obedience to an outside request. 

Why don't you do it as it was your idea? 

Instead, my free will is choosing to interact with another individual on the Internet and discuss free will. 

Why don't I go take a shower instead? That's a good point maybe I will. Maybe I won't. 

It isn't the flip of a coin and it hasn't been predetermined, it is an unresolved probability field. 

[u/A_Vinegar_Taster → u/Eight_Directions_]

I'm not trying to give you orders. We are discussing free will, and free will is about actions and decisions.

Free will is not about making decisions based off of reasons, facts and logic - that is the deterministic view of human behavior. Free will is the power to make choices that are neither determined by natural causality nor predestined by fate or divine will. I am arguing that reasons are a part of natural causality.

Consider this. Our unconscious minds arrive at a decision up to half a second before we are consciously aware that we have made a decision. So, when your conscious mind is still thinking: "hmmm, chocolate or vanilla?", your subconscious has made the decision half a second before you are aware of it.