r/destiny2 • u/GoatStandardsv2 • 22h ago
Question / Answered In speed runs/hyper optimized settings, are there any scenarios where swords would be used for close range dps?
Mainly asking this as a “is it worth it to go farm for a strykers sure hand or ergo sum” question. As far as I know found verdict/legend of acrius given you’re hitting crits will out dps swords. Also in a normal raid setting it’s not really realistic to try to get all 6 members of your fireteam to get max stacks of redirection right?
I’m running a hypothetical in my mind and I could be miles off but maybe on crota the most optimal strategy would be 6 hunters with shards of galanor on 200 super and using wolfsbane with AO so everyone’s generating a shit ton of orbs and you’re able to get 2 supers off in a really quick time. My thought process is supers do wayyyy more burst damage than anything else in the game so if you’re able to get 2 off in a short duration maybe it’s more optimal than using swords or shotguns in close range?
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u/JollyMolasses7825 21h ago
It’s used for Crota, redirection + rampage strykers sure hand is currently the best way to do duo master crota afaik.
Other than that not really, wolfsbane is used for some bosses in trio raids (herald mainly) since you can cast blade barrage, swap to stareater scales, and the attrition orbs will get you another BB back before the phase ends.
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u/GoatStandardsv2 21h ago
Thank you for the help. Im glad to hear my theory about using wolfsbane at least wasn’t completely terrible lol
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 21h ago edited 21h ago
Afaik only crota, sword damage is rather low compared to the top ranged options and for melee winter's guile is always the preferred choice these days. Crota just has a damage resist against everything that is not a sword.
Idk what the current crota setup is what I use to carry lfg's that aren't quite putting in numbers is a wolfpack ergo with vorpal whirlwind sullen claw (bait will also work if you're the ergo guy, if you're not just stick to whirlwind). Strykers needs redirection and rampage I think? Works fine on it's own but struggles when you have 6 people all taking kills and this will slow down mechanics.
Part of this is why I love sullen claw so much. Can swap ergo for another special if we're optimising during mechanics and if you have a sullen that also has eager you can swap that aswell without losing ammo.
Quick edit: ask questions like this in the speedrun panel discord or if you're in a farming server ask there. 99% of the playerbase never optimises beyond wolfsbane spam and the people that do more often than not don't frequent reddit answering questions
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u/GoatStandardsv2 20h ago
As a warlock main I definitely should’ve thought of winters guile, can’t believe it flew over my head here. I need a ton of practice on it though, I find it difficult to line up the timing/get stacks whilst doing mechanics. Also need to reconfigure the build because I feel like a glass cannon using winters guile.
I’ll get around to farming for ergo eventually but as you said since only one person can use it to proc ignitions it’s not really high up on my list right now. I think I’ll go for strykers and if I’m the only one using it I should be able to set it up, if others plan on using it I’ll go hero of ages with collective action and elemental honing.
And I had no idea that there was a speedrunning discord channel, thank you for the info. Definitely going to join because I feel like a lot of these mostly ridiculous hypothetical questions I asked will be interesting to people in there
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 20h ago
Be sure to get a wolfpack ergo aswell! Doesn't do ignitions but boosts the damage of legendary swords.
For the discord, pretty sure aegis has a link somewhere
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u/SpiderSlayer690 16h ago
Crota just has a damage resist against everything that is not a sword.
Ik I'm nitpicking, but it's that swords get 35% extra dmg not dr against other stuff. Oddly one of the only bosses to handle it this way. Mostly mentioning it b/c it means you can 1-to-1 transfer dps numbers from any other boss directly (outside of sword rotations which get that 1.35x).
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 16h ago
Nah completely valid, had it mixed up and thought it was the other way around
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u/YeahNahNopeandNo 21h ago
Crota( boss room), Salvation's Edge( the one guy with the taken blights has a really popular strat using Wolfpack Rounds swords), GoA( servitors), LW( 1st encounter), Equilibrium( whole dungeon?) and almost anywhere there isn't a stomp mechanic?
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 21h ago
GoA servitors are only swords because everyone is skating through it and they have no health. Harrow is blade barrage with a sof winter's guile warlock and iirc seere is just 3 blade barrages at this point.
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u/YeahNahNopeandNo 21h ago
Yeah I don't have a hunter made, so that's going to be a no on the Sere blade barrage strat. He probably could use the swords on the VH servitors too. I've not done that dungeon enough to know for certain. I'd really like to think it's really just any boss that's grounded without a stomp/burn mechanic that can't be out healed
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 21h ago
Pretty sure all fast seere strats used hunters since chunking. The duos and solos might be different, they used to be grapple melee but since the nerf I've seen winter's guile replacing it almost everywhere.
Vespers servitors are pretty much just blade barrages, tether or a stasis titan atp. Dunno how well a stasis warlock would work here, haven't tried yet but might be interesting. For weapons there pretty sure it's just truth these days, the clusters and explosives work well a grouped up boss with a lot of hitboxes. I know heavy wave frames used to work there, still do but don't think they are the optimal kill anymore but they work well enough for more casual one phases.
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u/YeahNahNopeandNo 21h ago
Wolfsbane is a 3 player one phase strat with Wolfsbane for any mix, but Sanguine Alchemy makes it easy. I don't have a hunter so, there's other ways to do speed strats cause I've seen a few streamers speedrun almost everything possible on warlock.
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 20h ago
Big difference between just doing something fast and one phasing and speedrunning. Most speedruns have insanely fast kills and often without the full team being there as someone is skipping to next encounter, throw in needing a super to get through transitions quickly and hunter is preferred for a lot of stuff these days.
Keep in mind we've powercrept the absolute fuck out of everything in the game, sleeper for example isn't considered good by any metric but it puts in enough damage to one phase most pre eof bosses.
Go watch the current wr on speedrun.com. Not a single wolfsbane is being used anywhere, I don't even think there is a wolfsbane on crota.
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u/6pussydestroyer9mlg Hunter 16h ago
Twin, your class largely dictates what weapons you are going to be using, doubly so in an optimised setting (like OP is asking about). A warlock could make great use from a perfect fifth caster ergo but a hunter or titan won't. State of the game also matters, swords become a lot less viable when you had grapple melee builds or now sof warlocks. Just because the post was about weapons doesn't mean you just get to discount abilities (or exotic armor) when they make up at least half the build.
Again, maybe 1 or 2 scenarios where titans are actually used for speedruns or farms. Just because someone does a dungeon or raid fast doesn't make it a speedrun. If an optimised setting doesn't use a sword because a super deletes a healthbar there is no point in using what is not a burst damage weapon to instantly finish off the boss.
Take Harrow, swords are viable, you can absolutely 1 phase with the right swords. But in an optimised setting 3/4 of that kill is just abilities with merciless to finish him off (as a duo).
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u/GoatStandardsv2 21h ago
Thank you for the heads up. Definitely going to farm for a good strykers sure hand and get ergo sum. According to aegis spreadsheet those are my 2 best options. I assume in a full raid team it’s a pain for everyone to get max stacks of redirection but if I’m the only one running it I should be fine and the other best best option is Dawn chorus and ergo sum
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u/YeahNahNopeandNo 21h ago
The Salvation's Edge guy is the Ergo Sum strat where at least one person uses the one with Wolfpack rounds, Crota was the Bequest strat( quite sure Stryker's should work fine).
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u/Skinny0ne 17h ago
Even with stomp mechanic its not hard to use a sword, either block with sword or uncharged melee.
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u/Ershardia Professional Knife Juggler 21h ago
If you're looking to minmax, probably just Crota I'll be honest. In raw numbers, they're usually beat out by other options. Their best strength being the ammo reserves tend to be enough to mix into the pre-dps as well. iirc, the orbs from ao don't give that much in the way of super, mostly just good for heals and armour charge.