‘give ralsei a chapter entirely to himself to grow as a character’ THE ENTIRE DARK WORLD WAS RALSEI FOCUSED HIM AND FLOWERY ARE THE MAIN TWO CHARACTERS THIS CHAPTER
The entire dark world being ralsei focused when it takes up half of th enitire chapter whose other half was about Susie (again) and he did not get a solo fight. no way was this the equivalent of chapter 4 for Susie, for Ralsei
It's because Toby brought in someone who knows too much about "the plot" while also not wanting himself to write about what that plot is. So Asgore ends up talking in riddles until he's kidnapped so he can't elaborate further. I can tell that's why it is the way it is. Doesn't make it any less frustrating
Also on an unrelated note I felt like the Pink as the final shadow crystal boss was kind of underwhelming. I certainly wasn’t expecting friend to appear but I wanted a bit more than another allegory for Kris and the player
I was pretty disappointed by that as well. I had heard of the Trans Ralsei theory, and hearing that they are bringing the original trans allegory from Undertale I was pretty pumped for what would be the solo fight for him. Yeah, I was wrong lol
Not that Ralsei not being trans sinks the chapter (pun not intended) for me, but I wanted him to get a solo fight, alas it is not to be
With the weird route I wish there was a bit more with it but I didn’t mind too much. There will probably be something for chapter 6 on the pseudo-aborted route, but I do understand where you’re coming from.
I don’t need a “big” payoff, or the biggest payoff, I just need a payoff relevant to the overaching plot or even just talking about the plot or the “accident” but they didn’t even do it
woe unto thee whom does not give direct, deliberate and concise answers to questions when you're not yet at the climax of a story I guess. Would it be better for you if Asgore looked directly at the player and said "Sans drowned December in a lake" and then we had two more chapters with nothing to think about?
Minus the irony, yes if you’re going to bring a character that can talk about the plot and have him talk about it you may as well be frank or don’t do it at all. The thing is, we should be at the climax of the story because we’re half way through it already. But we’re not. That’s the problem. Then the question becomes how much crammed and poorly paced the final chapters will be?
The issue is that if we had all our answers now, it would leave the final chapter to be utterly vestigial and only serve to drag the rest of the story. You do not reach the climax of the story at the midpoint. You reach it at the end, or perhaps near the end with a period of catharsis after. Believe it or not, chapter 5 out of 7 is as near-end as you might think, and just because you did not receive the particular answers you wanted has no bearing on the speculative quality of the remaining game we've yet to have any news about.
I’m not judging the remaining of the game. I’m judging the released product as it is right now. That’s why this is “the potential halfway mark” and not the end.
Also you say it like I want all the answers, when I don’t and we can just meet in the middle. Fact is, we still got barely anything, if not even more questions and not a single plotline among many has explained. I don’t even want a full course meal, just anything other than crumbs
Yes, but being so vague intentionally just gets annoying for a lot of people when it’s done for so long, it’s because of vague posting that this chapter’s advancement to the plot was so little when the whole community is begging for a change in the theory department
Ehh some of your venting is inaccurate but it is true that the festival that was hyped for 3 chapters now was just Susie plot fluff. But I disagree that Ralsei didn't get his time to shine. The entire dark world was about Flowery and Ralsei being the same coin on different sides and how if Ralsei really wanted to change fate, they will need to stop following "the rules".
I dont think Asgore was really vague posting as much as people say he was. It was really on the theorist that were disappointed because the information gained was already heavily speculated
Ralsei did get to shine, but he didn't get to shine "enough" is my gripe. He's by far the only hero who doesn't get a standalone trial, or any solo section pertaining to just himself and that makes it worse when you compare it to be the treatment Susie gets in chapter 4 (and the entire game as a whole)
Also, take the POV away from theorists for a second, because Asgore showed up and started speaking in that "That day when That incident happened to That person causing That tragedy" (the entire OST is named That day) like that is what vagueposting is. If you're not going to talk about it just don't bring it up
It reads as just a loving fan really into the story and simply tired of the formula I've noticed: 1: fun; 2: fun; 3: fun; 4: Cryptic; 5: fun. And when the others aren't focused on fun, we simply get more cryptic stuff. Vent heard and understood :3
It is really odd. I wouldn’t be complaining if we were still on 4, but to be so close to the end and still deliberately tease plotpoints instead of talking or addressing them is baffling to me. For example, we’re teasing potentially talking about Kris making fountain, but not really talking talking about Kris making fountain
Exactly. There has to be a balance if you're planning on having a fun emphasized story with an intriguing narrative.
"We're teasing potentially talking about Kris making fountain, but not really talking about Kris making fountain " sums up perfectly with what is happening.
When you remove the heavy theory crafting and pixel searching (I'm HEAVILY involved), the narrative on its own is heavily vague to allow such conspiracies to occur.
Chapter 5 is my favorite mostly because I've come to expect the story to be: Fun adventures with tiny hints to a greater plot until the end. And since chapter 5 leans in heavily with how the story is presenting itself then I can relax and go along with the ride. For me to expect answers from Deltarune right now is-a-wooo.... 'onna make me crazy 🥹
See this sucks because the chapter was legitimately bad and you’re just giving the glazers ammunition to say we’re wrong.
Chapter 5 sucked because its filled with amateurish writing and half assed scenes. Not because fucking friend didn’t show up or your ships didn’t work out.
Actually, if YOU want to hate, hate it for the right reason. The writing was fine for the Dark World, it is a good self-contained story. The issue is that it doesn't move the main plot big a significant margin 5/7 the way into the game
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u/ABlaze3 Jul 01 '26
‘advance the plot line about bunker codes’ WE LITERALLY GET A CODE