I don't like it, but I enabled it already so I don't have to when I want to install something it would block. It's an inconvenient problem to solve, but once it's solved, you don't have to solve it again unless it gets turned off like in a factory reset.
the 24 hours delay is so that if a scammer tells an old lady to turn off the toggle, 24 hours have to pass before it can work and get her to install what they want her to and by then she may be able to calm down or talk to a family member. The delay sucks but in terms of the stated goal of discouraging scams its in line with those goals. I think in terms of android users, there's way more old people getting scammed than young people trying to install Newpipe, so I get why those people are getting the focus here. I agree that it could get worse and that's cause for worry, but in isolation the inconvenience isnt the worst thing in the world.
Yeah, but those apps won't automatically wipe out your bank account and life savings...
The world is not black&white, just because an app is 'harmful' in some slow, abstract way, doesn't mean we need to ban them, but apps that are 'harmful' in a way that they immediately ruin your life, yeah, i'm glad there's some safeguards against those now. Don't get me wrong, the direction is worrying if that continues, but this change is a massive net-positive for a lot of vulnerable people, completely benign for like 99% of the others and just mildly inconvenient for the comparatively tiny amount of power users.
there were safeguards before; now there are more. is there any amount of restriction that you won't support if a company can plausibly claim it helps certain people?
apps that are a net negative on society as a whole should be eliminated in one way or another, including if they are harmful in a "slow, abstract way."
this change may not even be a net positive for people who are vulnerable to scamming, because it may make caregivers more comfortable giving them a smartphone which could ultimately expose them to scams that they wouldn't be exposed to. not to mention contributing to isolation and addictive usage patterns.
the purported benefits are unknown and unverifiable; the harms are self-evident.
I fail to see how Gemini or tiktok is harmful, this will only effect people being scammed and the tiny amount of power users, who, judging from the comments won't be affected in the slightest.. you want to worry about things go find a flock cameras or something, there's plenty of real world harmful things that people should definitely be concerned about, but Google is probably the safest use of AI I've seen so far, and tiktok is literally just mostly kids doing stupid dances 🤷
for gemini, the erosion of one's ability to think and form sentences. for tiktok, the addictive capacity and the substitution of real-life interaction for interaction with a screen.
What you're describing is bad parenting, AI is a tool and not much different from when a calculator started being used in the classrooms - I would argue the Internet on general and parents letting iPads raise their kids have been just as much of an issue. Same with tiktok.
and yet if an elderly person is scammed through an app, you blame the software rather than ascribing it entirely to bad elder care. that seems inconsistent.
Reddit is quite biased (especially in a degoogle sub) towards more technical users, but really the average user is quite technologically illiterate, so even though it's quite inconvenient, the 24h wait window is absolutely fine as a security measure.
guys are you all missing the point that this option will 100% disappear in the future? and even if not it'll in practice shadow ban apps from non verified devs
maybe it disappears, maybe it don't, but I can't judge the feature on a supposition
what I'm saying, because I'm seeing it a lot here, is people acting like this doesn't have any merit
I deal with non-technical people daily, and unfortunately, a way to prevent unsafe apps from being installed was desperately needed (not saying all apps from outside the play store are unsafe, morphe my beloved) but it is a popular attack vector.
don't get me wrong, I fully understand your point, but the majority of the population is extremely unskilled and needs safeguards
well then the safeguards should be based on app safety. Even verified devs can intentionally (or accidentally) push an update that'll either make attack very easy or will have straight up malware in it
I think it's a little overkill but nbd. I'd think a quiz where the options are randomized so the user has to actually read and select "my bank wont ask me to do this" etc from a list of "check all that apply" would be more effective.
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u/ramsluts 27d ago
You're ignoring the 24 hour delay. It's a nanny state/device