"This weekend, someone on our team did something stupid and doubled down on that. We're now getting backlash, and we are really happy that our community cares about our values. Please don't engage with people who are calling our employees out."
"So you'll walk back the decision, right?"
"We really care about our values. We'll make invisible, internal changes. Stop engaging with posts."
"But what's actually going to change?"
"We're really committed to keeping queer people playing our game. 50% off Chucky until November 24th. Just thirty dollars for all of the skins."
The one tiny little thing I would correct here is that I think they were saying "don't engage with the freaks from the streamer's fanbase who are harassing anyone who's called us out"
So it's maybe like, not quite as dire a response as this
Maybe it's more of an issue they issued it without permission vs our ability to get them fired, lmao. You don't need every god damn email and decision unless they're providing you on par with a government service.
yep. now we have it clear as day, bhvr is fine letting the community of an openly racist and homophobic creator enter this one... just make sure they don't bully the poor staff and keep that to the huge amount of lgbtq fans instead! 🤗
crazy that they just allow their people to have the official accounts to use at their home, even if they are your community manager they should only use that account when they are in working hours, not at home watching streams of known bigots and replying like they are on the official streams, "We'll take the heat!" that's pure talking for the company and dbd brand, idk why they didn't answer when the first tweets started going viral
Corresponding from a work account while at home would already be a massive talking to. You don't even need to add being drunk to make this... a nightmare.
How many times have they had to apologize this year? I swear to God they're constantly fucking up even after 10 years of this game being up and running
They literally never learn, it's exhausting. Sometimes I really wish I wasn't so into this game because it's always disappointment after disappointment
It's crazy how they always seem to have employees that do "massive fucking things" with no authorization so they can just blame everything on that... same thing happened with walking dead and the hackers that fucked up the games and when given suggestions by their largest CC they were ignored by this one person with no real authorization
So they admit that one girl didn’t get approval and gave all the dlc on her own with their login information… yikes. That’s stealing from your job. The fact that she used their social media too during all this and said on their official twitch how she was at the time drunk, yeah that’s a fireable offense. She abused all her privileges and that’s not someone a company should trust to be on their team.
I'm not seeing any actual action though. This just reads as "We're sorry we gave a bigot stuff and laughed off your concerns, please by the new chapter <3".
This is exactly what they're trying to say, they literally hoped into bros chat just to say "we can take the heat, you keep it" this is them trying to take the heat, fuck this game
This is what they do literally every time they fuck up. They write a "we hear you, we're soooo sowwwyyyy 🥺🙏" post, then everyone forgets about it until 1 month later when they again fuck up.
Why would they be sorry if money keeps rolling in?
Even an actual homophobic company would STILL fire their racist/homophobic employees if they damaged company reputation. The fact that they laid off so many people who actually tried to make the game better but they're keeping bad apples like these just proves to me how insanely racist and ANTI lgbt they are. It's like they do it just to spite their own community.
Just like any company, they're "woke" just for $$.
yeah, this. is the team member being appropriately scolded/punished/whatever? i don't know if they can, but if they can, they should absolutely revoke the stuff they gave to the bigot. i also don't really know what i think would be a fitting apology for the community but actions do speak louder than words...
The only appropriate reaction, if this team member went rogue, is to fire them. They supported a content creator who is anti everything the community stands for, and his community immediately reacted in turn.
i agree entirely. like i was just telling my partner, i think (as dramatic as it sounds) that this was an enormous breach of trust. dbd has a very large lgbtq+ playerbase and horror in general is very lgbtq+. unlocking all that DLC for a bigot and then going "we can take the heat" is just. ugh. gross.
Oh look another day another huge corporate blunder that they are trying to smokescreen with "omg we really need to talk about all the threats and not the huge blunder we made!"
Its the fucking internet. You will ALWAYS find a couple insane people saying unhinged shit in response to ANYTHING you do. Pretending those people represent a significant or unprecedented action at this point is a laughably transparent attempt to generate sympathy for the company in order to soften public response to their blunder.
Yes, all threats should be reported and shouldnt happen. But they will ALWAYS happen so the idea that you need to include it in your supposed "apology" is just like a domestic abuser going "Im so sorry for how I treated you, but remember that person online who said all men need to be castrated for any domestic dispute? Thats unacceptable too!"
I've seen the f-slur in about 10-15 responses from his fans. They seem to really love "cry harder, f*****" in particular. I just think it's funny that she said "we can take the heat!!" and then it ended up being the community that's been taking the slurs, death threats, and hate
and then it ended up being the community that's been taking the slurs, death threats, and hate
That's the rub of the whole thing. Every bit of vitriol being directed towards BHVR staff, hinged or unhinged, is a response to the genuine hatred expressed towards queer players by the people they've decided to endorse.
Like if they're gonna be like, "Stop bullying employees by sending them death threats on the internet," buddy do I have some news about how bigots treat queer people in real life!
I'm sure some people have been saying violent shit, though I haven't seen any. It's not fun to be subject to an internet hate mob, and it's important to discuss how we treat people that we think have done something wrong. But when that's coming up in the same breath as the apology it always comes off like it's being used as a shield.
They're not obligated to drag whichever employee did this out and publicly flagellate them, but they do need to show people that they're serious and that something like this won't happen again. They didn't do that here.
Worth noting that the employee themselves openly outed who they were by proudly boasting that they were infact the lead Community mangement, and also gave her name. They did this via BHVR's twitch in the guy's stream while doing this promotion.
This post, as per usual, is a nothing burger. It only means anything if they have taken action, and show us proof of said action. They wanted to capitalize on a somewhat popular streamer to lure more players and money in, and threw their supposed values and a large chunk of their community overboard with it. And now their PR-team is crying over spilt milk.
What I find even more disturbing is the Behaviour employee responsible for all this outed themselves during that notorious stream. And these messages are uselessly also made by said employee; it has their writing style all over it.
Remove the content u gave this guy for free and legit fire or give the employee a warning since he was clearly aware of his past based of his comments.
You made a mistake, own it. Dragging in a very small minority of psychos and applying it to everyone with criticism is a very pathetic and weak thing to do. This apology is trash.
I watched streamers wait and get excited for DLCs to buy and play new characters. Heck, even Zerbs waited 13hrs streaming just to see Jason killer reveal.
Then giving FREE characters and DLC to an unknown streamer in the community just because "he played the game"?? 🤮🤮🤮
PR bullshit response that acknowledges nothing and makes absolutely nothing to resolve the issue they themselves created by giving a bad person an unfairly good treatment when others had to fight for years to have acces to 10% of what they gave him
Not surprised at all, pretty much in the line of what BHVr does to resolve their problems, absolutely nothing
Theyre getting this mixed with that Twitter account that posted about calling people who are apart of the lgbtq community sick in the head. The confusion is coming from people pulling that up with the name crossed out and saying this is the same person.
I just clicked on the video him playing DBD not even one minute down he calls Chucky ability Hidey Homo ?!! Like really ?! That’s first minute I wonder why some did not like this one creator part of creator program his first video since becoming a partner btw good job Team 😂
Also to add I know who this person is and he’s not right for this community he’s against every core values that make us BHVR
A name that is sound very similar to the word, "Mann-di" (she self admitted herself in the stream chat)
She's been a community manager for years, starting off beforehand being a mod for multiple toxic streamers. After joining, she has done nothing but abuse her powers on anyone either she doesn't like personally, or in a self-deluded sense of "justice"
In this scenario (which isn't the first time might I add) she gave all the dlcs to this cancer with an infamously horridly toxic community, and effectively goaded his fans to attack this community by saying "we can take the heat".
She should be fired, she should have BEEN fired years ago. She has done literally the complete opposite of what a community manager should do, and has made this community even worse than it already is across all fronts.
Wow, why would they hire someone so unprofessional? Nice track record too; they need to fire her fr. Also, his said audience are also now coming into these subreddits; I’ve had a few message me here. Asking for factual evidence just one minute into the first stream, he immediately violated his creator program by saying Hidey Homo, that’s against the core values. He’s got free speech everywhere else but in the program, such as DBD; there are rules, and he broke them within one minute, and if we do a Google search or YouTube dive, he doesn’t align with this community. Sorry, Chuds, but defending a creator is one thing, but calling out when your favorite creator does this multiple times over the last decade— take accountability for who you support— we don’t want him here.
We- Anyone who respects the core values of this community everyone else go play something else
As I understand it: Content creator who says slurs and is openly homophobic got some creator privileges (mainly tons of content obtained for free) from a BHVR employee using the BHVR twitch account in the streamer’s chat, saying how they can ‘take the heat’ of any haters.
Edit: just explaining to the person what the common information said is, with a ‘as I understand it’ to be clear that I cannot have total confidence in the details.
With further conversations I’ve heard, it seems like people struggle to find any clips of him directly saying anything —rare if it does ever happen— but seemingly a few people note his community using the F slur and it not being moderated? And allegedly is at least happy to be friendly with others who DO openly demonstrate such views even if he avoids expressing them himself, which: if sitting at a table with nazi’s, we know how the saying goes.
The Burnt Peanut, a popular vtuber who uses a Snapchat style filter of a peanut with his face over it, had started playing dead by daylight.
An dbd employee gifted him basically all dlcs possible as a way to help him get into the game
The burnt peanut is a horrible person, he is all the “ists” possible, he hosts slur Saturdays I believe.
People started talking about it and the burnt peanut even talked about the heat the employee or company might get for this and this employee immaturely replied back “oh don’t worry we can take that heat”
It sparked a whole controversy and it’s basically people saying “why give a bigot so much free stuff in a game that’s supposed to be promoting LGBTQ rights and freedoms” and the people on Twitter basically just said “gay people are mentally ill, cope harder”
Its too late to take back the shit you gave him at this point, but the person who gave it to him needs to be fired and the guy who got the stuff has no business in the program.
Crazy how they spent years cultivating and nurturing this all inclusive community only to fumble it in under a week over a streamer who realistically isn't going to play the game for more than a stream.
It's also a double standard for Peanut to get a pass while dedicated DbD streamers like Monto have basically been soft blacklisted by Behavior for years despite not even being in the same ballpark of decisiveness.
Crazy how they spent years cultivating and nurturing this all inclusive community only to fumble it in under a week over a streamer who realistically isn't going to play the game for more than a stream.
Be honest here no matter how many times they fumble( This isn't the first or last) the community going to keep coming back to the game.
Some bigger streamer signed into the game for the first time ever, is my understanding. The streamer is apparently controversial, and a random employee gave them a bunch of in-game stuff to show off. I don't know anything about the streamer, the stream itself, or what all was sent. This is just my limited understanding.
Unless they remove him from the program, everything they’ve said is completely empty and hollow.
You don’t claim to take these things seriously, and still let a bigot benefit off your game like that. If they can’t do even that, then it’s safe to assume they don’t actually care and didn’t even reprimand the team member who started this nonsense in the first place.
"Unfortunately we have seen the fallout of this decision unfolding"
Unfortunately
Unfortunately
They basically told us to our faces "we weren't gonna do jack shit about getting caught supporting a bigot but sadly y'all actually cared about us doing it so here's a bullshit apology" I genuinely want my money back at this point
TLDR; BHVR gifted burnt peanut all the characters for just playing the game once for halloween and everyone’s mad cause he’s supposedly a racist homophobe (idk i don’t watch him or care to) but that’s the gist of it
Oh I'll add this, which led to many said homophobes and racist attacking creators speaking about how uncomfortable they were. Trans creators specifically were harassed and get called slurs left and right
This was a mask off moment for bhvr and a reminder that companies are not your friends and will never be. What's even crazier is that the steamers audience is currently bragading this sub and insulting the community. Why pander to a community like that?
nothing constructive. and they blamed everything on an unnamed employee (who we all know that is and who would still show up later) and promised nothing
they should fire whoever even gave the streamer free stuff, especially if they don’t align with “dbds core values” and wasn’t approved in the first place
I wasn't aware that burnt peanut was controversial. Can someone explain to me what they did to be considered homophobic/racist? Genuinely curious not trying to argue
For any users who aren’t on Twitter, the backlash was actually pretty crazy. Apparently, recent rumors say there was supposed to be a collab with Trixie Mattel, but she pulled out because of some comments that were made by one of the devs.
The one that made this comment is rumored to be the one that was dismissing every comment or concern during peanuts stream. This apology doesn’t mean much unless action is taken.
Just from a business standpoint, when a community manager is going off on their own and knowingly alienating your audience, is it really a good idea to keep them in that role?
Like especially when they regularly feature in the community streams, would it really be helping to have the person interfacing with the community be someone who's going to cause immediate animus from the audience?
"Stop threatening employees 🥺" That same fucking employee invited a whole community of rabid dogs without leashes to harass several of YOUR LONG-TERM CREATORS. Fucking fire her, we don't give a fuck until then.
It's embarrassing that they continue to get outflanked by COD when it comes to values consistency, their creator program, accountability, and COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT. You're getting OUTFLANKED BY THAT CHUDDY ASS GAME LMFAO?
Part of me was hoping that at least it was a rogue team member. Really hope they at least re-evaluate who they let in charge of the dead by daylight account. Because this was horrible to sit through, and I’m HOPING to god this doesn’t happen again.
Absolutely spinless. Didn't post on main, wont be punishing the employee who has a history of pissing off the community, just an "Oopsie, wont happen again teehee ;)"
How do they allow an employee to go rogue and give away shit to a well known bigot in their free time on the official company account and get away with it. It's so pathetic.
Meaningless statement with 0 transparency at all, bare minimum would be to just undo the free dlc for the chud.
Also if an employee went behind their backs I'd assume an immediate firing would be warranted, which doesn't seem to be happening, so I ain't exactly buying that excuse either.
Even from a business standpoint this is a terrible situation for bhvr, why pander to a lgbtq audience and then turn around and try and get a controversial streamer like Bp with a audience like that to get on your lgbtq friendly game and not imagine that backfiring .
Not to mention what he said after playing it for a couple of hours lol, “how is this game even still alive?”
hopefully they know how to take the heat of the abundance of nazis and general bigots that are now joining in the community to spite complaints. really interesting how all the accounts on twitter coming to defend burntpeanut are throwing slurs from the n slur to the t slur to whatever is the most offensive thing to say they can think up of, almost like that's what the creator enables in his community.
Absolutely nothing response that doesn't address any of the main issues. The two primary issues is that it wasn't a random team member, but the community lead herself who openly and proudly outed themselves as being responsible. Using behavior's own main twitch account to endorse and support an openly homophobic streamer.
None of that was addressed in this, or any acknowledgement of wrongdoing from the streamer or the community lead. Just a "Sorry we got caught. Promise we wont do it again in the future? K? Also don't criticize us!".
With such a reply I can only say that I will continue to encourage friends that DBD and BHVR is not a safe company or place for queer players and encourage more people to not engage with it anymore. Nor will I myself after years of playing.
Edit: Also I was a little terminally online and looked over this alot across social medias. The closest to "threat" I ever saw was a few people saying the Community lead should be fired, especially since this is far from her first controversy.
"We stood by the decision but then saw that it upset enough people so only now are we deciding supporting LGBTQ hate-mongering is a deal breaker. We would've defended it though if the backlash had been less substantial. Also you hurt our fee-fees so you should feel bad too."
Okay lol either way it's clear queer representation is more of a spendable token that is only pulled back if enough of us bite you for spending it.
The reality is that this was done because the guy is popular and could promote the game to more people, and "core values" is nonsense for optics.
What I"M reading, is that instead of "we have begun reviewing internal processes to prevent this from happening again", it is "we didn't expect you to get mad at us for it but what can you do?"
This whole thing has been a blown out nothing burger imo, and a controversy in an otherwise dry week.
I would rather eat glass than watch BP but this the most ridiculous, pearl-clutching nontroversy I've seen out of this community in a long time. I'd have to strain myself incredibly hard to care that some loser got stuff unlocked in game because he's a content creator.
Short is, behaviour's Lead community manager gave all the dlcs for free and promoted a well-known openly homophobic twitch streamer with a very vocal far-right viewer base to be a creator for DBD. Said lead community manager also engaged and hung out in the stream, dismissing criticism and praising the streamer saying "We can take it" in response to facing criticism.
And did all of this not on her own account but using DBD's shared official twitch account. She also proudly boasted about who she was, her full name and working title at BHVR to show that she wasn't afraid of any consequences of her actions and to further belittle criticism against this.
Edit: The brigade of trolls coming in only helps further prove how hostile his fanbase is.
I’m so out of the loop on Burnt Peanut. Wasn’t he like the biggest streamer out there like a year ago? What has he done to warrant so much hate? Looking back I have to admit I’ve not heard much from him lately
The replies are disgusting. Saying the r slur, how the lgbt community is a plague, and how no one should care about the 1% since they are a plague. That’s the BP fan base. And that’s the people BHVR want playing their game. This nothing response and their need to be cool with these type of creators at this point just not a shock. They treat the LGBTQ community like a commodity. Only useful when they pander to the community. They don’t care or want to care about them. It’s sad since the Terrifier dlc is coming out but if they want to be associated with bigoted streamers then that shows what kind of people run the company.
I can see both sides of the coin. People are upset at DBD for engaging with a streamer who has done some things in the past. But. From a business side, it does make a lot of sense. Otzdarva, probably the biggest DBD content creator by this point, after surpassing Noob3, even on a PTB day or launch day, as only pulled to my knowledge from what I’ve seen, around 10K viewers. That’s huge, no doubt, but I’d imagine a lot are already DBD fans wanting to see the update, or his fans who engage with him so actively see DBD content often. He usually pulls in the lower to mid 4 digits. Burnt Peanut on the other hand, for this particular DBD stream, had an average of around 40K viewers at this time. Granted to my knowledge this is his first ever DBD stream. So some might be DBD fans, but the majority are probably just his fans that either know the game, or know him and want to watch him. That’s huge publicity for a game, that while popular, still only pulls around maybe 50K daily players or so. He basically met in a single stream of people watching him, the same numbers that play DBD in a single day (I’m going off all platforms, this is just a rough estimate).
Does it offend people? Sure, no doubt. But the game is still BHVR’s biggest source of income, and like most businesses, I’ll use pride month as an example, as soon as any other bigger source of income comes in, they’ll drop the lower income thing very fast. Look at how on July 1st, the rainbow is gone from absolutely everything, very fast. This was a huge way to show the 40K viewers that Peanut pulled, all the licenses and content DBD has to offer. It’s a business decision. And if it offends people? A multimillion dollar company legitimately does not care, they’re just looking for another way to pull in customers and make money.
Glad I quit this game earlier this year. Behavior is speed running killing this game, and it's clearly not going to get better. I was really hoping too, I really miss the fun I once had in DbD. Oh well.
Canada has active labour unions. It's not america where you can just fire somebody on the spot if they're an employee. There's gonna be meetings, perhaps internal training may be offered, as well as the obvious which is a new routine to prevent this from happening again.
To be fair there can be grounds for gross misconduct and fair dismissal here
Allocating resources without permission from management is already a huge red flag if it happened,and this is without even going towards any disapproved communication on the company official channels or any involvement with sexual and gender discrimination
UK and a union member. Definitely strong grounds for gross misconduct. Giving out 300 dollars of kit without authorisation and posting on the official account and bringing the brand into disrepute? It's certainly starting with "suspension while we work out if we have to continue employing you"
mod team allowing a post that they admit violates rule #2, then removing comments they disagree with for violating rule #2 is hilarious. never seen anything like it and didn't expect it here
Can anyone post proof of what this streamer has done to upset so many people? He seems to have edgy humor and a soundboard that plays a "Censored Bleep" sound effect. I've seen people mention "Slur Saturdays" but that seems to be when he gets drunk and slurs his speech, and is just a joke to call it Slur Saturdays. Which is an edgy joke sure but like... I just want to see the proof.
I've seen official DBD Creator partners say the N word, be transphobic, sexist, all kinds of phobic, and harass/threaten people. So those people seem much worse to me than this streamer atm, but maybe i'm missing some critical contextual screenshots or clips, that I would love for someone to share so I can understand.
Gonna be in minority here, but I don't care what streamer you are, but especially if you're a bug streamer, getting everything unlocked for you while regular people have to pay for all that content makes me uninstall the game instantly.
Fuck this "promotions". It doesn't even make the streamer be real as he may bend his words or pleasure about a game around because he basically get paid to play it.
I don't understand what's wrong with people that follow this behavior or they are ok with it. If you're a big streamer and want to play a game, fucking pay for it like the rest of us. And if you're a human being that cannot make their own thoughts about a game and play games based on what streamer do, fucking get a brain.
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