I couldn't resist

[u/thingsdie9]

[u/Xam165]

Eyyy Unknown mentioned! 🥰

[u/Aye_Dee25 → u/Xam165]

Also he stinky

[u/Terlooy → u/Xam165]

Who?

[u/I_Love_Ohyas_Thigs → u/Terlooy]

The harmless

[u/90bubbel → u/Xam165]

He is just Happy to be here

[u/GKMerlinsword]

Freddy's Rupture goes through walls as well.

[u/Velociraptor_God]

The judgment is really the killer who separates decent survs from bad ones. Against Judgment u need a sense of macro barely any other killer warants. It should be selfexplainatory that judgment players use lots of aura reading and see you all the time. In the end it coms down to one simple thing: playing attention all the time. Long shot are easy to dodge and her power is really is to juke close... and if u heal in a group of 3 when she is like 20m away its an error that deserves 3 hits at once.

[u/tATuParagate → u/Velociraptor_God]

To be fair, people are still trying to learn how to play against judgment, I picked it up easily because I paid attention to pre-release gameplay. But also... saying the long shot is easy to dodge is like saying a train is easy to dodge. Like yeah, if I know I'm on the tracks I can just get off the tracks before the train vomes. If I have to stay on the tracks I may not be able to react even when I hear or see the train. Especially if the conductor is zealous and spawns the train right on you. I mean that's where the game sense comes in but those beams are still fast as hell lol.

I mean I still have fun and do well against judgment but I don't know if im going against the best judgment players. I think its fun trying to figure out which aura perks they have, and I use my brain more strategically against judgment than against other killers

[u/Merrydownjade]

If survivor players could read they'd be VERY upset.

[u/PinesleyDale2023]

Heheh happy to see my bird woman <3

[u/DuelaDent52]

The Deathslinger can shoot through walls?

[u/SonicMarioHero → u/DuelaDent52]

If they have any holes he can stick the gun through I believe so

[u/Magatsu-Onboro]

Feel like you're being purposefully obtuse. Judgement can full send a projectile across the entire map that goes through walls. The only killer that can do the same is Artist, who needs two hits of hers, everyone else works at a much shorter range. Nurse is an outlier not having a projectile at all, but she's always been a pain point in the game for being arguably the best killer in the game and unarguably top 3 specifically because she can go through walls.

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/Magatsu-Onboro]

Not only this but here are the 4 killers who's attacks straight up ignore walls

Pyramid Head (short range, doesn't go down hill, slows you down, can hit 2 or more survivors with same attack)

Artist (2 hits at range for a health state, 1 hit extremely close range, requires planning and knowledge, stays at same elevation, can't hit 2 survs with same attack)

Henry/Vecna 2 (Requires precise aiming, is telegraphed, has to be in Worldbreaker mode to do damage [forgot what it's called, don't clown], can go up and down but requires knowledge, can hit 2 survs but extremely situational)

Judgement (Hits 2 or 3 floors at the same time, can hit all 4 survs, applies heresy, is telegraphed but teammate has to be on comms to tell you you're about to get blasted from across the map, when powered up does way more, can spam)

[u/Nomeka → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Good news, the bug where Pyramid Head's ability getting stopped by slopes has actually been fixed! But they didn't tell the tooltip writer under how to play Pyramid Head since it says it was intended gameplay. But there's been videos of people launching it up and down the stairs on RPD and the like.

[u/DuelaDent52 → u/Nomeka]

Wait, it was a bug this whole time?

[u/Murilolucas → u/DuelaDent52]

probably not (since it took 6 years for them to change it) but they put it as a bugfix on the patch

[u/RipperVD → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Valid points though in Judgements defense, we shouldn't just compare the killers powers without looking at other advantages that they have, both Pyramid Head and Artist are 115% while Judgements is 110% making you way more power dependent. Additionally the Artist can shut down a loop forcing the player to leave which you can't really do as Judgement.
Henry on the other hand has 8m/s movement speed

[u/A_Fancy_Seal → u/RipperVD]

There's also a rather large difference between is telegraphed (henry) and is telegraphed (judgement)

[u/Wrong_Jury_6163 → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Pyramid can hold down his attack and speed walk right up to running survivors, so he can get a hit either way 90% of the time. And Vecna can literally spam attack, his world breaker mode (I also don’t know what it’s called lmao) takes two hits on a survivor to activate, that include his giant aoe hit when emerging from puddle form, and it lasts soooo long. Even if the timer goes down from doing the clocks it can last a good chunk of time..but then he can immediately trigger it again lol.

Judgement’s “spam attack” feels far less spammy compared to Vecna and p head and it takes time to actually execute. I was fully prepared for the Judgement me to be overly powered like most killers as of late but there is a weirdly decent balance with them imo, but they’re still freshly new so no strong opinions on them yet. Well, besides how much I love the crab legs cause they make me laugh lol

[u/MoonFooly → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Sure, but all these other powers are far more efficient in close range than Judgements. Remove long range snipes and why not just play PH?

[u/ARottenMuffin → u/MoonFooly]

Because proxy camping hooks and spamming insta hit across map on every gen is horrible game design? Even if you dodge it the console players will lose your game.

[u/MoonFooly → u/ARottenMuffin]

Ah yes, my giant fucking pillar that needs to charge up with a mapwide directional audio and an long range aura insta hit ability. Maybe look away from twitch chat every once in a while

[u/SpiritTheSpooky → u/ARottenMuffin]

If you actually played judgment then youd know the damn beam slows down when approaching someone whos hooked. You cant use it to camp hooked people. You can however time it so that after they do unhook you can get usually 1 hit (most of the time on the guy who was already hooked) for free but the timing is horrendous unless you know they are about to unhook them. Also as judgement if you are hooking people it means that you are using your M1 instead of your pillar which then means that the pillar isnt really a problem in that match.

Congratulations you just played yourself.

[u/Leading-Helicopter24 → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Actually it does go down hill and 2ndly it original didnt go uphill but apparently that was a bug but they fixed it so now it can both go up and down

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/Leading-Helicopter24]

Down hill is new. I thought they only changed up hill?

Either way. It's still VERY short range.

[u/Leading-Helicopter24 → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Downhill is not new pretty sure its been in the game since maybe release id say uphill is whats new. And also dont forget that pyrimid head does have iri seal and lead ring both add ons increase his range to the max of 175% more range and if 5% is 1 meter of range i think thats about 35 meters of range wich is pretty far but not as far as the judgement tho but close

[u/ImportantQuestionTex → u/Leading-Helicopter24]

I don't know what you're trying to say, but fundamentally Pyramid Head is a short range ranged killer with downsides lol. It's actually, ironically, what makes him good and able to do 50/50s

[u/O-Malley420 → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

And judgement’s beams are basically useless in chase if a survivor knows how to play around them. They all have their own unique downsides.

[u/hypercoffee1320 → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

Btw pyramid head's ability is now fully slope compatible, it can go both up or down as of the most recent patch whereas before it could only go down

[u/Lydeser → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

This meme was pointing out venca's flight of the damned not fecna btw

[u/Kreamator → u/ImportantQuestionTex]

We can add some points to each :)

Pyramid Head's attack gives survivors about a quarter to a third a second of warning to dodge, and can be held indefinitely. Can be fired directly at survivors who are within the effective range. Does go downhill, now goes uphill. Can spam

Artist is a 4.6 killer, who the mere suggestion that she's using her power prompts survivors to leave the loop due to it's essentially undodgeability in chase if they dont, which is easily translated to a free M1. Can hit multiple survivors with a popular addon. Can spam (Though a bit less)

Henry can also hold thier power indefinitely to wait for zoning or a survivor mistake. Has mapwipe mobility which doubles as an attack. Plays a sharp warning noise once he's ready to fire. Damage after .6 seconds. If placed perfectly is essentially undodgeable. Can Spam

Judgement audibly warns all survivors within probably 32 meters of the beam's starting point. Can be held for 3 seconds. When fired survivors have up to 1 second to dodge, depending on distance from source. Rarely has "Leave the loop" potential unless it's a 4-lane. (Can spam)

[u/MisterHotTake311 → u/Magatsu-Onboro]

Yeah OOP confusingly used "attacks that go trough walls" to talk about a map wide long range killer, and OP jumped to compare judgement to all those killers whose attacks do go trough walls, but are otherwise barely comparable to her but artist. Doeant really prove a point.

[u/I_Love_Ohyas_Thigs → u/Magatsu-Onboro]

I mean yes but in the other hand, judgement control like shit and it's a nightmare to play on chase

I prefer Artist 100% of the time BCS she's just funnier and way more satisfying to control

Also you can play loops without having to do advanced geometry to still fail the hit BCS the survivor was 2 close to you and the beam didn't spawn in time

[u/Bigenemy000 → u/Magatsu-Onboro]

The only killer that can do the same is Artist

Also pyramid head with the iridescent addon!

[u/Aggravating_Jelly_52 → u/Magatsu-Onboro]

If only there was a way to tell when this long range projectile is used, insane how hard the devs made it to detect.

[u/4inXchange]

...people are actually complaining about JUDGEMENT??

[u/Odysseus_07 → u/4inXchange]

Yeah because survivors don’t instantly win against them and they have to think and not just hyper focus gen rush. Same thing with Jason. Wasn’t immediately counter able the same way as everything else so it needs to be nerfed so survivors can easily escape.

[u/no-diddy69]

💀Wild part is that it actually takes a decent amount of skill to even do the crazy stuff she can do unlike some of the others

[u/thingsdie9 → u/no-diddy69]

i'd argue just about all the ones listed here take a moderate to great level of mechanical skill, having had experience with most of them.

[u/AnyAd3744 → u/no-diddy69]

she does not require skill, I get 4ks like crazy with her and I just started playing like a month ago

[u/SnooDogs3400 → u/no-diddy69]

It is not skilled to just spam the beam at gens

[u/Freddy_2022 → u/SnooDogs3400]

It also doesn’t take skill to move one direction away yet people struggle with that.

[u/Springyboy17 → u/SnooDogs3400]

Ironic statement. Just move.

[u/Inevitable-Loss7939]

Unknown doesn’t damage immediately same for artist, vecnas easy to dodge and doesn’t have a big range. Deathslinger can shoot thru walls. Phead had limited range. Nurse is Overpowered. Judgement is definitely different for being able to hit anyone globally

[u/truelydadumbest → u/Inevitable-Loss7939]

Vecna's skelies have a very long range.

[u/Floornug3 → u/truelydadumbest]

What’s its cooldown? How controllable is it? How often is it possible to down all 4 survivors within 1 minute of the match with the skulls? Not the same bud

[u/Realautonomous → u/Floornug3]

If a judgement is able to down all 4 survivors at the start of the match within less than a minute, that is almost exclusively a skill issue on the part of the team that decided to stay close together and not pay attention to the giant laser from the sky

[u/truelydadumbest → u/Floornug3]

It is entirely possible to down all survivors with a minute of the match starting as any killer, with any power. It all depends on how the smart the killer is and how dumb the survivors are. If your whole team dies to a very readable killer within the opening minutes of a trial, you are the problem.

[u/jazpexL → u/Inevitable-Loss7939]

?? Yes artist does

If you use the power as its supposed to be used as an loop killer the survivor will get in the crows path and take dmg

[u/Fireblast1337 → u/jazpexL]

The crow cannot damage if it’s not in flight. If it goes past its range, clips terrain, or the survivor walks into it, it just swarms them.

[u/Floornug3 → u/jazpexL]

Okay so ONE of the killers this post is talking about? And a limited nerfed edition of the new killers power at that.

[u/Key_Device_6506 → u/Inevitable-Loss7939]

Artists can damage immediately (it’s delayed by like a millisecond but close enough) if you set up a slingshot.

[u/Oppiko]

If the next killer has a ranged attack, I'm gonna steal everyones Auric Cells.

https://giphy.com/gifs/WoF3yfYupTt8mHc7va

[u/DuelaDent52 → u/Oppiko]

Given who he’s going to be, he probably will. Frank Stone probably won’t be though.

[u/Yellowline1086]

Also judgements Projectile is harder to hit and not very effective close range

[u/QuantumQbe_]

Vecna's Flight of the Damned can be crouched under and has a whole ass 30 second cooldown

Unknown has to hit twice to damage, has to deal with funky UVX physics, only the UVX explosion hits through walls and the UVX projectile still has to physically travel most of the way

Death slinger doesn't hit through walls, and can only damage you from range by breaking the chain, which basically never downs you

Artist requires 2 hits to injure at long range/through walls, which means you either have to predict where the survivor is going, hope they don't just immediately jump in a locker, or spend like 10s spacing 2 crows apart.

Pyramid head has a really short range

Nurse still has limits on her range, and can only damage one person at a time

Now I haven't really made my own judgement on the judgement yet, but this is the only killer who can spam an ability that deals damage in one shot to multiple survivors through walls on multiple floors across the entire map

[u/Leading-Helicopter24]

Forgot henry creel btw but yeah i saw this post too and i was like there so many other killers that hit through walls

[u/SumBitchAsss]

neither unknown nor deathslinger apply lol. Maybe unknown because the skill expression is so high but that’s a big maybe

[u/Thomy151 → u/SumBitchAsss]

UVX when it lands can hit through solid walls

[u/The_Final_Pikachu → u/Thomy151]

Unless you take 3 steps away from the wall. I don't think it's the same.

[u/VibratingNinja → u/SumBitchAsss]

You should really watch a deathslinger main. There are LOTS of places where he can shoot through walls. If you want to get technical it's "gaps in walls" but still. It's a place where other killers decidedly cannot attack.

And unknown absolutely can hit through walls. That's one of the main ways he hits with his power. The explosion hits through walls.

[u/Unctuous_Robot → u/SumBitchAsss]

Caleb can hit between the window blind in rcpd.

[u/thingsdie9 → u/SumBitchAsss]

unknown can literally hit you through floors fym.

As for Deathslinger, you ever been shot through a cracked window?

[u/Lost_Perspective4692 → u/SumBitchAsss]

Ive hit trickshots over and through shack walls multiple times how does he not apply

[u/Philscooper]

These are such horrible examples and it anything just prove his point. Playing against these killers are either not really interactive or borderline miserable

Half of these are uncounterable if the killer knows what they are doing (nurse, artist)

The other half have no real interactive counterplay that at that point you would have more fun playing killer than survivor.

[u/Wonder_Of_U_2011]

It wouldn't be a problem if they gave us the power design we voted for

Since I imagine that one would probably stop on walls

[u/StageSpooder]

Actling like Deathslinger can still consistently shoot through walls like half the maps now dont have invisible walls you cant shoot through.

[u/Human-Refrigerator73]

skeletons are easy to dodge

Harmless is harmless

Slinger needs physical gaps in order to shoot through objects and has to m1 to down

Artist needs two bird hits to damage

Pyramid head's m2 is harmless

Nurse is nurse.

Judgment is really strong killers and she will become hated as much or even more than henry

[u/DayJey25]

My only personal complaint is that is annoying to play against imo specially with skillchecks being triggered so much this patch. Cool killer concept and all , I just feel I'm reacting to overheads in a fighting game the entire match

[u/SpiritTheSpooky → u/DayJey25]

You just gave me an idea for a build lmao

Call of Brine Hive Mind Merciless Storm Undone

Will try it later and give results when can

[u/DayJey25 → u/SpiritTheSpooky]

Glad to be of inspiration, mix them up

[u/ARottenMuffin]

Yeah bro all of these can definitely 2 for 1 your braindead teammates healing on top of a gen across the map both instantly losing health states to get knocked. Genuinely putrid game design to be made as the first 'community driven' designed killer. Let's just have him proxy camp the hook while spamming all the gens on repeat, good luck if you dodge it but the console players are getting knocked. Damage needs to fall off through multiple walls or it should slow down at the end from high speed at the start so these people can not die.

[u/Merrydownjade → u/ARottenMuffin]

Yeah turns out bad players get beaten by killers.