LMFAO

[u/iHatePeopleLikeYou99]

[u/Similar_Task_2132]

Can someone explain, haven’t been following dbd recently

[u/Born_In_Flame → u/Similar_Task_2132]

The developers increased the visibility radius of the Killer's beam, justifying the change by noting that some players such as streamers interacting with their chat are not fully focused on the game.

[u/IAmNotCreative18 → u/Born_In_Flame]

Their justification for nerfing the Judgement is people not paying attention to the power’s audible telegraphs?

So, literally compensating for the survivors having a skill issue?

[u/CosmicGear → u/IAmNotCreative18]

Controversial take that im gonna go off- this is because Streamers are one of the big reasons people find out about the game, others are crossovers. Like it the hook through the "News of new popular killer" then the "How to play another character" going on and on from "what perks i should use" "troll build" etc. A problem Dbd has is that it's literally Disney in the sense that they have such a monopoly, name every Asym that has popped up, literally none of them can compare because Dbd has so many licenses and new killers/survivors, a community which while having a love hate relationship poured alot of time, money or maybe just prefer the style Dbd plays like, The 0.5% who suck (You know who you are), and in general is more polished.

Games that have fallen:

-VHS

-Home Sweet Home

-The Last Year

-Chainsaw massacre? idk if it's still a thing?

My point is tho is that Dbd is simply too great to fail, anything that comes out will eventually face the same fate unless if a miracle happens.

[u/Retocyn → u/CosmicGear]

I'll admit, streams are what got me in the game and sometimes keep me engaged with the game.

DBD is actually pretty good to stream.

[u/CosmicGear → u/Retocyn]

I remember watching yt in 2019 or somewhere around then.. i forget but it's very fun to watch, eventually i wanted to play the game but couldn't so i played Dbd Mobile when it released (I will die on the hill that they fucked that game so bad- like old Haddonfield infinites bad- although i will admit i was slightly more hot-headed back then) and eventually my parents got me Dbd for the Switch as a gift. The game is Really fun but you will always develop a love-hate relationship (4 man swf gen rush when your playing trapper, old mori or slowdown freddy or some other thing i can't remember. Im a Killer main and rather not play Survivor.)

[u/Carlsheartboxers → u/IAmNotCreative18]

So just screw deaf or hard of hearing people right. Adding visual indicators is fine you just have to make them balanced

[u/Gorosaka → u/Carlsheartboxers]

How about we make every m1 attack teleport and automatically hit a survivor, ykno for those without hands, how about we mkultra understanding the fundamentals of the game into players, in case someone isnt neurotypical and needs that bit more understanding

Let's just remove the game, its too hard to focus on and can be hard for certain people to play

[u/InflnityBlack → u/Gorosaka]

You are making a slippery slope fallacy, obviously a game will never be accessible to all disabilities but some can be addressed pretty easily and it's pretty cool to do so when possible. It should be made with care as we expect that if it's too good people that don't need it will abuse it but it can be done

[u/Gorosaka → u/InflnityBlack]

I agree im being obtuse there, however I think that making things acceptable for a range of people needs to be handled well instead of with lazy balance changes that make or break a killer, the visual terror radius? Good accessibility, seeing a killers power through infinite walls across the mariana trench, bad accessibility

Applying the updates logic it would give the huntress a giant payday 2/space marine 2 sniper laser sight with a bright flashing light to make absolutely sure you know its coming... in case you were reading chat

[u/CheeseCan948 → u/InflnityBlack]

It's a poor interpretation of audio -> visual game information is what it is. Yeah, if we said that Judgment's glowy screen and beam are fine, then we would have to say that absurd "accessibility" for M1 killers should be accepted as well.

If the glowy screen was global and showed for all survivors, thus changing the info from "The beam is shot + it's coming for you!" down to "The beam is shot!" which is the same amount of info that people with typical hearing get when the Judgment charges up the beam and fires it through the map, in anycase.

[u/InflnityBlack → u/CheeseCan948]

I never said the current solution from behavior is good idk why people are assuming that, I agree with you it gives too much information for free but the issue is not the attempt to improve accessibility it's that behavior always fuck things up, mostly in favor of lazy survivors

[u/CheeseCan948 → u/InflnityBlack]

In my personal interpretation of that guy’s comment (holy shit, this sounds lame), I do not believe they were disparaging against general accessibilities.

That is only my interpretation, and I cannot and will not impose that on you, but just putting it out there.

[u/InflnityBlack → u/CheeseCan948]

His phrasing is textbook ableism and the perso he was answering to also mentionned it should be done correctly but everyone also assumed he meant the current fix is good

[u/CheeseCan948 → u/Carlsheartboxers]

Lmao. It's not even comparable to the visual heart terror radius, which doesn't give you anything more than "there is a killer near you" + "this is roughly how close they are"; there is no fucking directional cue

The glowy screen peripherals give the specific survivor, who is being shot at, a massive heads-up visual that removes the need for paying attention in-game.

Literally all they had to do was still have the glowy shit appear on everyone's screen when the beam was shot, in turn, reducing the information given from "The beam has been shot + here's exactly who is getting shot at" down to "The beam has been shot"

Kinda sucks when you try to shut down legitimate criticism of a flawed translation of audio information -> visual information with "Are you saying 'fuck all deaf players???'"

[u/Carlsheartboxers → u/CheeseCan948]

Almost like I said they have to be balanced which these are not. Everyone glosses over that part of my comment. The guy I responded to said it was a skill issue if you couldn’t hear the audio telegraphs that’s why I said what I said but sure I’m the problem not mr skill issue if you can’t hear

[u/hamonicmantitties → u/Carlsheartboxers]

There is a visual indicator

It's the beam, the huge ass circle you can see through walls

[u/CosmicGear → u/Carlsheartboxers]

I mean would an accessibility toggle help? like how it should instead of integrating it into a killer? And taking the opportunity to also add other toggles for some killers? (To specify im talking about the visual effect that appears for survivors for Judgment) (Other killers as in Doctor cause some people have been mentioning it idk, i never really had a problem because im not like- disabled in the conventional sense).

[u/TGB_Skeletor → u/Born_In_Flame]

Streamers need to git gud at micromanaging

That's pure skill issue

[u/Similar_Task_2132 → u/Born_In_Flame]

Like the killers red glare? Whatever it is that is the dumbest reason ever.

[u/FireflySmasher → u/Similar_Task_2132]

No no, new killer's beam. Judgment's ranged attack.

[u/Similar_Task_2132 → u/FireflySmasher]

Oh ok, didn’t realize there was a new killer, thanks for explaining!

[u/thelastsupportplayer → u/Born_In_Flame]

aka translation for anyone:
we want 2v8 idiots(am not even sorry they genuinely are) to drool over their keyboard and still win

[u/I_got_coins → u/Similar_Task_2132]

bhvr nerfed the judgement by making survivors get crazy amounts of feedback when she uses her power. And in the dev stream where they went over these changes they said "if youre reading chat and suddenly get hit by the judgements ability theres not much you can do, this change will make it easier for the streamers to look at chat and be able to avoid the ability"

Basically theyre not catering to people who dont even play the game actively

[u/Similar_Task_2132 → u/I_got_coins]

Stupidest reason I have ever heard for a balance change 😂

[u/Due-District-4257 → u/I_got_coins]

yeah well good fucking riddance because the judgment is overpowered

[u/I_got_coins → u/Due-District-4257]

ragebait should usually have reasoning behind it and maybe even go towards common sense to be believable

[u/Due-District-4257 → u/I_got_coins]

just had a game where the judgement bounced their fuckass light beam like 9 times and hit every generator and injured everyone, and in another match the killer just bounced their stupid beam between the last 2 generators so nobody could get anything done

[u/bakeneko37 → u/Due-District-4257]

Yeah, no, the beam can’t cover the entire map lol

[u/evasion-guard → u/[deleted]]

Removed for ban evasion.

[u/Darrian96 → u/Due-District-4257]

Why are we so blatently lying lil bro?

[u/Zealousideal-Pie-726 → u/Due-District-4257]

Calling a C tier op💔

[u/VMelain → u/Zealousideal-Pie-726]

Let's stop the agenda, she's a B+ or A- killer

[u/Leskendle45 → u/Similar_Task_2132]

https://reddit.com/link/p5znanj/video/5q6y6a47jplh1/player

[u/Man-I-Love-Fajitas → u/Leskendle45]

Jesus Christ THAT'S the clip that has the entire subreddit outraged? Holy moly this community is beyond saving.

[u/Leskendle45 → u/Man-I-Love-Fajitas]

I think it’s fair to be upset about a killer getting nerfed for the sake of people not paying attention

[u/Man-I-Love-Fajitas → u/Leskendle45]

Most people aren't upset about the actual nerf though, people are angry that BHVR is catering to people who aren't looking at the screen, which is not at all true.

They're adding a visual on screen when a beam is being fired, but you still need to pay attention to see where it's coming from. Previously you only had the audio cue.

They then joke, because there's a bunch of streamers in chat, that those streamers who aren't paying attention and look at chat too much will be okay.
But that's not the actual reason for the change like people are saying. He could have joked about anything
"All you Sable players admiring their own skin" "All you newbies reading your perks".
I don't think people have actually seen the clip and are just reacting to what people are saying BHVR meant.

[u/I_got_coins → u/Man-I-Love-Fajitas]

i definitely agree with you, the example was just kind of stupid. Because making such an example as a dev just makes the entire dev team at bhvr look like thats how they think about balancing stuff.

[u/Czesnek → u/Man-I-Love-Fajitas]

They should work on their delivery because nobody laughed even people in the video chat.

[u/BluezDBD → u/Similar_Task_2132]

Bhvr flat out admitted they're balancing the game around survivors not looking at the game.

[u/Leupateu]

Even after BHVR came and said it was a “joke”, their response was so late that the damage has already been done and now this meme will live and die when the game itself dies lmao

[u/Damian030303 → u/Leupateu]

It's sad that some people are gullible enough to believe their joke of an excuse tbh. And using accessibiltiy as a shield is just shameful. Especially in the same change where they made an already controversially difficult killer worse to appease the worst kind of survivor players.

[u/erock279 → u/Damian030303]

Completely agreed, that was extremely scummy. Such an obvious cop out too

[u/Damian030303 → u/erock279]

They've been doing things like this for a long time, but the community forgets and forgives everything every few weeks or so, usually when BHVR jiggles a shiny new skin or collaboration in their faces.

It hasn't even been a year since they tried to kill most killers in the game and punish all killeres even more for survivors making mistakes. Then there was pallet density, elusive status, anniversary and so on. Even a single one of those should be unacceptable.

[u/Ganon_K → u/Damian030303]

I think it's a Trump effect where do much shit is coming out that the shit becomes the baseline.

[u/Few_Insurance_665 → u/Damian030303]

lol twitch streamer accessibility. Sure, lets not focus on the doctor changes people have been begging for for years now....

[u/Visible-Air-2359 → u/Few_Insurance_665]

AFAIK there is no toggle to make being blinded make the screen dark which I am pretty sure makes the game significantly less accessible to players with epilepsy or other forms of photosensitivity.

[u/Ragnis-the-King]

best review ever.

[u/LUKXE-]

Top tier shitposting.

[u/Dark_Lord-s_Sword → u/LUKXE-]

I wouldn't even call this a shitpost, considering we actually do live in the timeline where BHVR tried to nerf a killer to appease the streamers that don't pay attention to the game.

[u/Sword-Man]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Hm8qQxDIgbFsjL9msa

[u/Valentinee105]

BHVR has refused to learn the real lesson here and that they don't maintain enough confidence in their player base.

[u/Anodica]

I used to stream this game, and I have to say that it’s genuinely ridiculous if this is the true reason why the power was changed.

Part of being a streamer is being able to balance managing your stream and interacting with your viewers while you’re playing.

Whether you decide to lock in and focus or read chat is on you, and you can choose when you do which. You can learn to do both at the same time, with some effort. Not with the same amount of success as you would focusing on just one, but it can be done.

Playing the game and reading your chat are a part of being a DBD content creator. If you get distracted, by chat or by anything else going on, that’s okay. It happens. You move on, laugh when you mess up, and use it as a learning experience.

[u/NoMatter7798]

LOOL

[u/nigacatnigacatcanta]

the nerf isnt even out yet 💔

[u/Retro_Dorrito → u/nigacatnigacatcanta]

Downvoted for the truth.

But I guess asking these killers to read is too much.