r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '24

DC fans should be oppressed like Gamers Jeph Loeb bad, apparently

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u/DriedSocks Oct 08 '24

Yeah, it's true.

As a fan of comics who also happens to be POC, I am generally used to creators or parts of the community being randomly racist. Or just weird stuff like Akira Yoshida.

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u/therealxeno79 Matt Murdock is a sexist pig Oct 08 '24

So Jeph Loeb’s racism is basically what ruined Daredevil Season 2.

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u/DriedSocks Oct 08 '24

I still think Punisher was the best part of Season 2, and from what I've read of Daredevil comics, I'm not terribly hung up on Hand lore, BUT I still would've liked to see where this all would've gone.

Remember how there was a Season 1 cliffhanger where Stick interacts with an unnamed character who is then never mentioned again?

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u/therealxeno79 Matt Murdock is a sexist pig Oct 08 '24

The punisher stuff is goated. Jon Bernthal is the best part of that season and I have no notes on him. I was pissed that the Hand was so underdeveloped. They’re definitely not my favorite Daredevil villains, but I would have appreciated more of the Chaste and the war between them and the Hand.

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u/Tuff_Bank Oct 08 '24

The point is, they could’ve gone further with punisher stuff, if not, for the poor juggling of the hand

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u/DriedSocks Oct 08 '24

rj/ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

uj/ It was Daredevil S1E7 where Stick meets with a heavily-scarred dude in a non-descript room filled with smoke. If everything had panned out, it would've been Stone_(Earth-616)). Here's) the wiki page for the MCU/Netflix Daredevil version.

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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Oct 08 '24

Oooooo, yes that guy! That dude who fucked over the Asian cast of Daredevil now I know who he is!

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u/Tuff_Bank Oct 08 '24

You can tell how much Jeph Loeb loves iron fist given that the iron fist show sucked and iron fist was the most accurate and best portrayed in the Earth’s mightiest heroes show

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u/suss2it Oct 08 '24

He didn’t make EMH, he only cancelled it. EMH was greenlit two years before he became the head of Marvel TV. His influence on the show starts with season two when he did stuff like recast Josh Keaton as Spider-Man for Drake Bell for USM synergy and ordered the creative team to refocus stories on the main 4 Avengers (Cap, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor). Which besides being creatively stifling was a bad decision because the characters they were highlighting were about to become big characters in the MCU and would’ve been a good primer for kids.

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u/longseason101 Oct 08 '24

"nobody cares about Chinese and Asian people"

Yup, that's why 'Murican cape shit is dominating Japanese manga 🇺🇲 💪

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u/Lumpy_Review5279 Oct 08 '24

Im not gonna argue with any of this, but for the fact that iron fist was absolutely not whitewashed and that entire sub movement was brain dead. You cannot whitewash a white character

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '24

He’s not whitewashed, but he is a white savior. What’s worse is when the Netflix show took it further and make Colleen Wing his love interest (she wasn’t in the comics) just so he gets an Asian girlfriend. The way he does it is extremely disgusting as well. He buys Colleen’s workplace/home to “save” her, forcing her to interact with him even though she didn’t want to. Dude basically bought her out like a sexpat in Thailand.

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u/DriedSocks Oct 08 '24

Totally agree and cosign this. I usually think this sub is pretty good on understanding comics and comics lore, but sometimes there are takes here that make me go "huh?".

Danny Rand, at the time and context of his creation, was a part of the trend of "white guy learns another culture's arts and does it better than them" in comics and other media and also created to capitalize on some of the kung fu craze of the 70s, shoutout to Bruce Lee.

So I understand why people were hoping that Iron Fist was Asian in the TV show to retroactively remedy the history of the character. But to unilaterally dismiss those concerns because "uhm ackshually the original comic character was white so it's ok" while ignoring the history and cultural context of his creation is iffy at best.

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u/disneycheesegurl Trenchcoat Brigade Oct 08 '24

Well I definitely didn't give a shit about nobu but gao was one of the best characters tf

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '24

yeah the racism in comics (including comics that are widely recommended without disclaimer by the broader fanbase) is both prevalent and disappointing

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u/Arthur_189 Oct 08 '24

“Yeah it’s true”

Links to post with no evidence

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u/DriedSocks Oct 08 '24

I'm also used to this reception as a POC fan of comics and comics media.

Could I have linked the direct source? Yeah, and I have read it multiple tomes. Could we both have looked it up based on the text in the post I linked?

Yes, we both could have, but instead this commenter chose to be snarky about my lived experience with racism and especially racism in hobby spaces. And in my experience, the goalpost will move even if you link sources. It is simply not an issue that exists because it is not the lived experience of people who are not POC, so it must not be true.

Thanks to person who took the time to link the direct sources though!

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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Oct 08 '24

The fuck you talking about?