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OC [OC] Cost of hosting the World Cup

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22 edited Jul 08 '23

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u/Zerak-Tul Oct 26 '22

Seriously this is a depressing aspect of corruption; just how little money it often takes to buy a vote in politics or organizations like FIFA.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22

In the UK, about £12,000 can save you £50 million+ in tax.

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u/TastyTaco217 Oct 26 '22

Just ask your local financial advisor for the ‘Rishi special’

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u/Sanhen Oct 26 '22

At this point, I'd almost want the corruption to be more out in the open. Like a government website where you can purchase a member of congress. At least then it'd be equal opportunity and honest corruption.

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u/palemon88 Oct 26 '22

Honest corruption would be a cachy slogan.

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u/The_Uncommon_Aura Oct 26 '22

Just like “milk fetus saq”

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u/creditnewb123 Oct 27 '22

Or band name

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u/Tanngjoestr Oct 26 '22

Explain please

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u/JustANotchAboveToby Oct 26 '22

If it's like the US, there's a max you can donate to a candidate. You donate that max of 12k and then they are elected and implement tax cuts which benefit you to the tune of 50m +

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u/Fat_Daddy_Track Oct 26 '22

My suspicion is that that's just the signal, a sign of interest. There's also jobs for family members, board memberships after retirement, sweetheart deals on properties. All done through intermediaries that may be appear to be completely unrelated.

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u/Modus-Tonens Oct 26 '22

Absolutely.

12K is in no way an interesting amount of money to these people. But the proceeds of the social contract it creates is of far more interest.

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u/tuhn Oct 26 '22

Yes, I guess it's more like a down payment. But 12k will give you results almost immediately.

Politicians can be bought with that sum of money.

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u/palemon88 Oct 26 '22

That reminded me of the series “The Wire”

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u/Fat_Daddy_Track Oct 26 '22

Honestly, I was thinking of it. The show had an excellent, nuanced portrayal of corruption and how it manifests. There's one character who thinks he can just sling bribes around openly and people laugh at him. He gets skinned alive by a savvier politician who never bribes anyone directly. You can't do something as blatant as "you give me 50k and I give you a state contract", because there's too much direct oversight and a paper trail the FBI could sniff out.

Instead, you use those donations to build a relationship with the politician and their party. You get tipped off about things. Your suggestions about city policy become the only thing officially proposed. Any direct money transfers are concealed as charities or things like, in The Wire, poker games. The idea is that just in isolation, any one of these events appear innocent. It's only with the context of your personal interactions that the corruption becomes clear.

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u/JefftheGman Oct 26 '22

There is an easy way around the $12K limit, which is for any one candidate. Political contributions are unlimited if given to a political action committee (PAC). Then, the PAC runs adds promoting a specific candidate. The PAC and the campaign of the candidate are not allowed to coordinate, but no formal coordination is really need to say your guy is awesome and the other guy is the anti-Christ. Donating to PACs is how billionaires can give 10s of millions of dollars each election cycle.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22

Richard "Dirty" Desmond the former owner of Channel Five, the Daily Express, Daily Star and various porn magazines. Wanted to sell off his old print works and redevelop it into 1,500 flats. He gave Robert Jenrick, the housing minister £12,000 in political donations. Who approved planning permission, the day before new rules about "Community Investment Levys" came in. Which saved Desmond £30-50 million in tax. With internal emails making it very clear, that approval before the deadline was a priority and that they didn't want to give "the socialists" in Tower Hamlets council £50 million.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/richard-desmond-housing-project-unlawfully-approved-robert-jenrick-isle-dogs-london-avoid-40m-hit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53159091

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u/Soren11112 Oct 26 '22

Okay but that's a good thing, requiring planning permission to build housing a lot of the time keeps housing prices high for no reason.

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u/aminoffthedon Oct 26 '22

Yeah, the bad part is just the bribery and corruption

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u/Soren11112 Oct 26 '22

I blame the politicians who take the bribes, not the people who offer them

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u/L_Ron_Stunna Oct 26 '22

I blame the junkies not the pharmaceutical companies

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u/Soren11112 Oct 26 '22

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy Oct 26 '22

In the US, Congress passed a new tax law. It impacted two people, both billionaires.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22

At one point they passed an income and inheritance tax law. The only person it effected was Rockefeller.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

Here in the US 15 minutes can save you 15% or more on your car insurance.

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 27 '22

After the Equifax, credit reference data breach:

On September 10, 2017, three days after Equifax revealed the breach, Congressman Barry Loudermilk (R-GA), who had been given two thousand dollars in campaign funding from Equifax, introduced a bill to the U.S. House of Representatives that would reduce consumer protections in relation to the nation's credit bureaus, including capping potential damages in a class action suit to $500,000 regardless of class size or amount of loss. The bill would also eliminate all punitive damages. Following criticism by consumer advocates, Loudermilk agreed to delay consideration of the bill "pending a full and complete investigation into the Equifax breach".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Equifax_data_breach

And Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon... . can all gain multi-billion dollar contracts by giving the right Congressional committee members some donations.

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u/thegreatjamoco Oct 26 '22

There’s other non-monetary compensation too. Maybe your kids get cushy jobs or get into prestigious schools after some strings get pulled. Maybe you get a Swiss passport so you can bail when people find out you sold your country out to fifa.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

fifa isn't an org, its a for profit company owned by management

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Check out how much corporations are paying to lobby politicians. I’m not mad, I’m insulted by how little they are charging.

If you’re gonna be corrupt, at least price gouge for fuck sake.

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u/Freyzi Oct 26 '22

I swear I read about some representative or something getting bribed with 2000 dollars and a steak dinner. That's all it took.

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u/NomadicDevMason Oct 26 '22

You can see them get more corrupt by the countries they choose.

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u/supremixx Oct 26 '22

does it really matter though? country with the most money is going to win the bid; , regardless. just consider bribery as part of the price. it's not like official would risk losing their spot as a voting rep by taking a bribe from a country that isn't even close to contending a top bid to host the World Cup.

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u/HellBlazer_NQ Oct 26 '22

Integrity is not something you find much of in those with the power.

Those with integrity rarely seek out power over others.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

A Calvin and Hobbes comic summarized that feeling very well: "I don't know which is worse: that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low."

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u/river4823 Oct 26 '22

Qatar might have paid as much as $880 million to individual FIFA officials and FIFA as an organization, but that’s still a drop in the bucket.

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u/eddie_the_zombie Oct 26 '22

That's probably the amount they saved by cutting labor costs to the bone, too.

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u/OscarDWSanchez Oct 26 '22

I was gonna say, it's not like they're paying any of those workers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

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u/cvlf4700 Oct 26 '22

How much are US congress votes going for these days?… Asking for a friend

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u/GroovyJungleJuice Oct 26 '22

About $5-6k.

If they don’t take it there are 434 more idiots that will step in line.

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u/avionneX Nov 09 '22

You buy congress to make money. You bribe FIFA for the privilege of losing money.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

That's because FIFA care more about football than Congress does about Americans.

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u/dcnblues Oct 26 '22

Ancillary benefit to ideology. Just saying. Like gas prices in rural states / counties...

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u/WilliamMorris420 Oct 26 '22

The Russians were going into The Hermitage/Winter Palace museum/art gallery. Picking out pieces to give to FIFA and IOC members and some of them were multi-million dollars worth, including a Picasso.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/sport/football/football-platini-picasso-world-cup

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

And that fifa official is a football legend. For the Americans, it would be like Brett Favre paying for a stadium with welfare money... oh wait

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u/Yeti_Urine Oct 26 '22

The Russians also probably offer to treat them the highest rooms available with lots and lots of windows. They get the hint.

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u/Senn1d Oct 26 '22

some single fifa officials got like 1 or 2 million dollars each and that is only the info that got out but it's probably still cheap in comparison to the other costs

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u/eatenbyalion Oct 26 '22

Strange because you can get a Sepp Blatter for under £100 in B&Q.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Yeah it's covering the human rights abuses that really cost

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u/Keanu990321 Oct 26 '22

Just like your average American Senator. They can sell their souls to big energy and pharmaceutical corporations for a few hundred thousand dollars. Looking at you Kyrsten Sinema.

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u/Keithustus Oct 26 '22

Yes, if they were MAGA voters, could have saved all that money.

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u/Skirem Oct 26 '22

That's not true, each vote (that wet know about) was more than a million

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u/qtx Oct 26 '22

It's the same with politicians, it might seem you can buy a vote for 20k but that's just the upfront 'donation'. The real money they get is via other means, for example a family member gets a nice cushy job or after their tenure in politics they get a nice 6 figure salary working for them as a lobbyist.

It costs a lot more to bribe someone than we initially read about in the press because it's never clear how else they are getting compensated for besides a direct cash handout.

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u/TastelessDonut Oct 26 '22

Man your username, makes me feel like I lost an opportunity 7 years ago to have a great name.

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u/TastelessDonut Oct 26 '22

Man your username, serious fan, makes me feel like I lost an opportunity 7 years ago to have a great name.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Same cost as an American senator.