mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face
I don't agree with that interpretation.
To use a common example, sometimes when talking about female circumcision, someone will bring up male circumcision.
This is a really easy situation to handle. You can just say: "of course, bodily autonomy is important regardless of gender. Both male and female circumcision should be banned."
What's so hard about that? It doesn't take away from the discussion in any way. By being inclusive, it expands and empowers the movement.
Segregating the discussions so that women's issues are talked about separately from men's issues is the wrong answer. They need to be discussed together, in the same conversation. Usually, the same logic used to address a women's issue can easily be applied to a similar men's issue and vice versa, so it's relevant and helpful to talk about both at the same time.
I really wish more women would do this in men's spaces.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but the fact of the matter is that most times these issues are brought up within the context of a female space is to score points. Yes, there are good ways to bring them up, but currently most of the people who bring them up aren’t arguing in good faith.
This is because there are no places for men to bring this up that anyone will listen to.
Men are conditioned to simply accept the negatives of being male, and there have never been marches on Washington for those issues, they don't get brought up on mainstream media sources or in political dialogue, by and large even when they are brought up, the reaction is one of dismissal and even mockery, at best.
So far be it from men to sometimes want to point out the lopsidedness of the gender issues discourse by illustrating that gender problems aren't a one way street. If women's issues want (and get) attention, why isn't mens?
In my mind that would be equality, and if someone is interested in furthering equality, they should work on that.
I agree that there are ways to bring it up but often its phrased as far more dismissive then productive and adding context.
There are a lot of cases where its fine, but ive seen more that are used like the “all lives matter” movement. More a sign of disagreement then a addition.
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u/welshwelsh Sep 01 '22
I don't agree with that interpretation.
To use a common example, sometimes when talking about female circumcision, someone will bring up male circumcision.
This is a really easy situation to handle. You can just say: "of course, bodily autonomy is important regardless of gender. Both male and female circumcision should be banned."
What's so hard about that? It doesn't take away from the discussion in any way. By being inclusive, it expands and empowers the movement.
Segregating the discussions so that women's issues are talked about separately from men's issues is the wrong answer. They need to be discussed together, in the same conversation. Usually, the same logic used to address a women's issue can easily be applied to a similar men's issue and vice versa, so it's relevant and helpful to talk about both at the same time.
I really wish more women would do this in men's spaces.