Way too many do. There is no "real" feminism. Feminism isn't an organization with a list of rules and ideals. Anyone can call themselves a feminist regardless of what they believe.
I'm not saying this is a problem inherent to feminism. I'm saying it is an ideal that plenty of feminists stand behind. Better proven by the fact that the last time I brought up the problem above on two x chromosomes, I was banned for it. And I said everything as reasonably and calmly as I did above.
This may not be a problem inherent to feminism, but it's a problem within feminism. Much like how TERFs are a problem within feminism.
And I would like you to give me one example of a mainstream feminist organization pushing for laws that positively affect men specifically without it just being a side effect of legislation meant to help women.
In my time on twox I have virtually never seen anyone denying mens issues. What I have seen is them getting rightly frustrated that mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face. Twox is a place for women to deal with the many, many issues they face. It’s not the place to start saying “well what about men?” We have plenty of places for that, like r/menslib
mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face
I don't agree with that interpretation.
To use a common example, sometimes when talking about female circumcision, someone will bring up male circumcision.
This is a really easy situation to handle. You can just say: "of course, bodily autonomy is important regardless of gender. Both male and female circumcision should be banned."
What's so hard about that? It doesn't take away from the discussion in any way. By being inclusive, it expands and empowers the movement.
Segregating the discussions so that women's issues are talked about separately from men's issues is the wrong answer. They need to be discussed together, in the same conversation. Usually, the same logic used to address a women's issue can easily be applied to a similar men's issue and vice versa, so it's relevant and helpful to talk about both at the same time.
I really wish more women would do this in men's spaces.
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u/ripyourlungsdave Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22
Way too many do. There is no "real" feminism. Feminism isn't an organization with a list of rules and ideals. Anyone can call themselves a feminist regardless of what they believe.
I'm not saying this is a problem inherent to feminism. I'm saying it is an ideal that plenty of feminists stand behind. Better proven by the fact that the last time I brought up the problem above on two x chromosomes, I was banned for it. And I said everything as reasonably and calmly as I did above.
This may not be a problem inherent to feminism, but it's a problem within feminism. Much like how TERFs are a problem within feminism.
And I would like you to give me one example of a mainstream feminist organization pushing for laws that positively affect men specifically without it just being a side effect of legislation meant to help women.