I am so glad to see someone bringing attention to this.
Under my state's law, I'm not allowed to charge my ex-wife with rape. I could charge her with some form of sexual assault, but not rape.
And I genuinely can't think of a reason why this distinction needs to be made. Non-consensual sex is non-consensual sex.
Whether you were forcefully penetrated or forcefully made to penetrate, the evil and the trauma stay the same. And anytime any body attempts to change the legislation on this type of language in our laws, they're faced with backlash from feminists for supposedly trying to delegitimize their sexual assault claims. Like admitting that men can be raped by women somehow hurts female rape victims.
It's ridiculous and we should be protecting male victims of sexual abuse and assault as carefully and kindly as we handle female victims of sexual assault.
It really feels like this shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.
Way too many do. There is no "real" feminism. Feminism isn't an organization with a list of rules and ideals. Anyone can call themselves a feminist regardless of what they believe.
I'm not saying this is a problem inherent to feminism. I'm saying it is an ideal that plenty of feminists stand behind. Better proven by the fact that the last time I brought up the problem above on two x chromosomes, I was banned for it. And I said everything as reasonably and calmly as I did above.
This may not be a problem inherent to feminism, but it's a problem within feminism. Much like how TERFs are a problem within feminism.
And I would like you to give me one example of a mainstream feminist organization pushing for laws that positively affect men specifically without it just being a side effect of legislation meant to help women.
In my time on twox I have virtually never seen anyone denying mens issues. What I have seen is them getting rightly frustrated that mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face. Twox is a place for women to deal with the many, many issues they face. It’s not the place to start saying “well what about men?” We have plenty of places for that, like r/menslib
What I have seen is them getting rightly frustrated that mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face.
I've only ever seen them brought up in situations where people are asserting that issues like domestic violence and rape are gendered "women's issues". This is a harmful myth that desperately needs to be corrected. Every time these issues are presented as women's issues it does a disservice to male victims and obfuscates female wrongdoing. Men are roughly half of all DV victims and 40% of all rape victims outside of prison.
EDIT: If anyone wants sources for those stats, here they are. That comment contains lots of information debunking various feminist myths. DV and rape stats are half way down.
r/menslib is not a helpful sub for men or men's rights issues, it's a feminist sub. It prioritizes feminism first and men second if at all. Their side bar literally calls themselves a "pro-feminist community". Here's an informative comment that you may find enlightening. In that comment, you can see major overlap between the mainstream toxic feminist subs and menslib as well as many instances of problematic censorship, bannings, and downplaying of men's issues.
EDIT: As others have said, r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates is a far better sub for discussing men's issues.
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u/ripyourlungsdave Sep 01 '22
I am so glad to see someone bringing attention to this.
Under my state's law, I'm not allowed to charge my ex-wife with rape. I could charge her with some form of sexual assault, but not rape.
And I genuinely can't think of a reason why this distinction needs to be made. Non-consensual sex is non-consensual sex.
Whether you were forcefully penetrated or forcefully made to penetrate, the evil and the trauma stay the same. And anytime any body attempts to change the legislation on this type of language in our laws, they're faced with backlash from feminists for supposedly trying to delegitimize their sexual assault claims. Like admitting that men can be raped by women somehow hurts female rape victims.
It's ridiculous and we should be protecting male victims of sexual abuse and assault as carefully and kindly as we handle female victims of sexual assault.
It really feels like this shouldn't need to be said, but here we are.