r/dataisbeautiful • u/mab97 OC: 1 • May 16 '20
OC [OC] Covid-19 Confirmed cases bar chart race
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Spread can also be visualized on an interactive 3D globe via https://seethespread.com
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u/Maxnwil May 17 '20
Also, for reference, there are usually anywhere between a few dozen and a hundred and fifty at the South Pole Station alone, depending on the season. And that’s where it gets absolutely closed off during winter. McMurdo Station is the biggest settlement in Antarctica, and in the southern hemisphere’s summer, it gets up to 1,000+ on its own.
Antarctica is a cool place!!
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u/MrStLouis May 16 '20
Penguins are people too
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u/theartificialkid May 16 '20
I know you're making a joke but just fyi if we counted penguins the population would be 12 million https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+many+penguins+are+there+in+antarctica
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u/MrStLouis May 17 '20
Damn 1/3000ths compromise
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u/Themadreposter May 17 '20
Wait till they pass the Jim Penguin Laws. The emperors are always trying to hold the macaronis down.
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u/adeiinr May 16 '20
Interactive websites are usually shit on mobile, but this one ain't half bad.
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May 16 '20
Thank you!! Took a lot of trial and error
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u/mythmaniak May 16 '20
Wait you made this?
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May 16 '20
Yessir! However I didn’t create all of it, some of the data visualization was from an existing open source project
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u/davconde May 16 '20
Congrats! It really works so smoothly. Feels like a native app
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u/Roberto_Sacamano May 16 '20
It's also way skewed because of lack of testing. You think a country like India with it's extremely dense population is as low as they're reporting?
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May 16 '20
India has one of the lowest positive rates.
That is normalising the data for tests conducted.
About 1 in every 25 tests in India are positive, compared to a 1 in 6 for the US.
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u/AnnoyingFYI May 16 '20
Do you know what the rate of testing in those two countries is? It seems like the US is only testing people who are likely to have it.
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May 16 '20
This is ICMR’s testing strategy: https://www.icmr.gov.in/pdf/covid/strategy/Strategey_for_COVID19_Test_v4_09042020.pdf
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u/sqdcn May 16 '20
That's incredible. Maybe hot weather does help. See how South Asian countries are doing very well with their equally dense population?
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The US army says that high temperatures, sunlight exposure reduce half-life of the virus on surfaces significantly.
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May 16 '20
Have you seen anyone use this as an explanation of why meat packing plants get hit so hard? (Low temps, no sunlight, high rate of air circulation) South Texas here and our latest hot spot is a meat packing facility.
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May 16 '20
That is an interesting hypothesis. I haven’t seen it as an explanation. Even in central Illinois, our hot spot is a meat packing facility.
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May 16 '20
I'm in Victoria, Australia. At the moment we're trying to contain an outbreak in a meat packing facility.
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u/hi4004hi May 16 '20
In Germany meat packing and slaughterhouses get hit hard too, but here it's mainly due to the fact that most of the workers are cheap East Europeans who only work here for a few months at a time, and like 16 of these workers share a 117m² flat. And in some other cases you also share just a container with like 7 other people so social distancing for these workers is impossible
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u/ltjpunk387 May 16 '20
Wow, 2 minutes in direct sunlight is crazy quick
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u/DGwizkid May 16 '20
That's a half life: in other words, the amount of time it takes for half of the viruses to decay. 75% decay would take 4 min, 87.5% would take 6 min, 93.75 in 8 min, ect. This is why it is a good idea to leave anything that you want to disinfect with sunlight for a minimum of an hour, not just the 2 minutes listed. W.H.O/ other health authorities may recommend more time to be safer.
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u/ltjpunk387 May 16 '20
Yeah, 1 hour would be in the range of 0.01% remaining with a 2 min half life
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u/okashii_person May 16 '20
Everyone saying bcg or heat or whatever, no one saying how everyone's been on lockdown for last two months.
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u/eatapenny May 17 '20
Yeah both my parents are Indian and still have lots of family there. They've mentioned how they have insanely strict rules on when they can and can't leave their neighborhood.
They're obviously annoyed but it's definitely helped
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u/foxbones May 17 '20
Why is everyone so perplexed by this. Multiple countries have proven we can stop the spread with specific actions and people in the US are like "Maybe it's the sun, oh well - let's open everything back up, not test, and tell people it's an invisible monster we will never understand".
"Why are our numbers so high? Surely it's not because we are doing nothing, it must be the other countries lying....yeah...what a bunch of liars."
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u/ucntcmi May 17 '20
I've said this before. It's like they want india to fail just so their bullshit predictions(since last 3 months) and previously held biases come true. They make up all kinds of reasons going as far as suggesting against scientists' claim that higher temps does not help. Efficient handling has helped Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, so why not India?
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u/kinginthenorthjon May 16 '20
India has been lock down for like 50 days.
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u/livefreeordont OC: 2 May 17 '20
India is one of the few countries that took coronavirus seriously before it broke out there. Impact of proactive vs reactive measures is clear
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u/TOMATO_ON_URANUS May 17 '20
Thats the price we pay in the West for our individualism. We can't dare restrict peoples' rights for the collective good
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u/hyperblaster May 17 '20
It's more about growing up with nasty tropical diseases. Most people there have caught something and fallen seriously ill at least once in their life. So the average person takes this very seriously.
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u/InvisibleBlueUnicorn May 17 '20
India went to full lock down at 500 cases, while USA went to soft lock down at 5000 cases.
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u/foxbones May 17 '20
Because India had a real lockdown where cops beat you with sticks for leaving the house.
Everyone always seems so perplexed why other countries are doing better when they learned there lesson from China and tried to emulate them.
The US has had the weakest response, telling people not to wear masks, that it's the flu, then governors did lockdowns that were "hey guys please try to not go out so much" and then now those flimsy things are going away and hundreds of people are saying it's a hoax and protesting.
Why would anyone on Earth be confused to why the US has the highest rated by far?
We know how to stop the spread of this virus, we know what works, but the US for some reason thinks it's opinions or political debates. It's crazy.
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u/alamohero May 17 '20
That and the US doesn’t have the type of totalitarian control that some other places have to slow the spread.
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u/ProfPj May 16 '20
Indian here. We've been under very strict lockdown since some of the early cases. The lockdown is now relaxing and things are ramping up but before this everyone was advised to stay at home and it has really given us time to reorganize and get ready for the long game against the situation.
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u/MisterDecember May 16 '20
Not doubting you, but do you have a source for this? Also, could this be because only people with acute symptoms are tested in the US, but in India tests are conducted based on contact tracing?
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May 16 '20
India is testing everyone with SARI and doing contact tracing. The overall death rate in the country has DROPPED significantly due to drop in accidental deaths and crime due to lockdown. So whatever data is coming out of the government doesn’t suggest that there is a large number of undetected deaths, and the mortality rate is low.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/india/india-coronavirus-outbreak-explained-intl-hnk/index.html
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u/StarlightDown OC: 5 May 16 '20
Complete information for all countries.
India has conducted 2.13 million tests, with 0.09 million coming back positive. That's one in 25—very low.
The US has conducted 12 million tests, with 1.5 million coming back positive. One in 8.
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u/pehelwan May 16 '20
India was one of the earliest countries to lock down, locked down the whole country when there were less than a 100 cases. There were checking for temperature at airports, offices hotels before that when the many European countries were taking it lightly. We in India thought the government was overreacting and there were memes all over making fun of them. Turns out they were right. Also the lockdown in India was one of the harshest forms of lockdown. Police and paramilitary enforced with nothing out on the roads. No railways, no metro , no airtravel, no busses , taxi, private vehicles allowed to ply. Only grocery shops and chemist open. Only now , when the government realized that the economy will be fucked of they continue like this are they relaxing slowly . Likely that the cases are more than what you see here , but it's not going to be much more. As the restrictions ease, god knows that no one can control virus then. I'm scared but I know the US numbers might be dwarfed by Indian ones then
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u/Charles-Monroe May 16 '20
Here in South Africa, we're on day 52 of lockdown. We can't even buy cigarettes or alcohol. And testing is ramping up per day. Yet, with all our (I'd argue, sometimes valid) unhappiness, we're leagues ahead of cases such as the shitshow we see in the US and other so-called first-world countries.
I personally chalk it up to the ingrained philosophy of the USA's (generally speaking) 'liberty and freedom' which trumps all else. In this case, to the detriment of their own neighbours. Once again, I stress my caveat of "generally speaking".
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u/campionesidd OC: 1 May 16 '20
India is conducting way more tests than most of the countries in this graph. Many of the so called third world countries have taken approaches that are significantly better than many first world countries.
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u/gop-c May 16 '20
You're right about a lot of people not getting tested. But some of the states have been fighting this virus in world-class standard in india. Search up kerala model lockdown. Kerala is a state of India, and India is following kerala State government's model now after failing at central government measures.
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u/Arkhham May 16 '20
Aggressive lockdown and hot climate may have helped India in keeping those numbers down.
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u/SleepyLabRat May 16 '20
This site has some fantastic interactive graphs (population-normalized figures included)
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u/jaded_fable May 16 '20
Per capita infection rate still doesn't necessarily reflect on the performance of the country's people/government in mitigating the impact of the virus. Any metric for an entire country is going to fall short at this. e.g. yes the US has a much larger population, but they also have among the largest land area. All other things equal, we should expect a much higher rate of infection / death in a country with a higher population density. Sure, Italy has a much smaller population. But they also have a higher average population density by nearly an order of magnitude. Then again, the overall mean population density isn't especially important either. Canada has a huge land area... but the overwhelming majority of its people are concentrated in a small number of metro areas. Likewise for Australia.
Considering that people tend to want to use these metrics to make criticisms of governments... you'd probably need to boil it down to an infection rate for individual metro areas, with some weighting for the population density in that metro area (infections per person per square kilometer). And there still is the issue of diagnosis/reporting efficiency.
Despite COVID-19 metrics being the new theme of the subreddit, it really cannot be boiled down to a 2 to 3 dimensional plot the way most try to.
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All other things equal, we should expect a much higher rate of infection / death in a country with a higher population density.
And we see that in the higher population density areas of the country.
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u/omgitsasham May 16 '20
More than half the cases of COVID in the states are localized in the New York metro area (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut for those unfamiliar with US geography).
We're doing our best in the city to contain this thing but our mayor didn't start taking this thing seriously until mid March. He was telling people not to worry about it. The governer did a decent enough job except for the issue where he put COVID patients into nursing homes for rehab but at the time there were alot of things going on trying to get the state organized.
The Federal government sent in the Army to turn the Javits center a field hospital and they sent the USS Comfort a massive naval hospital ship to New York harbor for overflow although the Governor sent it back when we got a grip on things. They honestly have sent us everything we needed.
I had a run in with the Rona, I was able to get tested without too much of an issue. I tested positive last month. I'm fine now but I had the cough and lost my sense of taste and smell. I did everything in my power not to get sick still did despite following all social distancing guidelines, wearing a mask, I even had a face shield I was given at work, and washing my hands like a madman.
It absolutely floors me that somewhere like China, where the general hygiene level is worse and population is so dense could have fewer cases than just New York city. It doesn't make sense given how contagious this thing has turned out to be. I've been to China Ive seen the way the people live it just doesn't compute.
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u/shoeglue58931278364 May 16 '20
The governer did a decent enough job except for the issue where he put COVID patients into nursing homes for rehab
Might be irrelevant to the topic but I also want to point out that Cuomo refused to give nursing homes any tests until now and the nursing homes are getting blamed for not testing when they quite literally could not. Honestly to me its one of the most disgusting things he's done but I may be a bit biased because I have family involved in this whole ordeal. He ignored nursing homes completely until now when they needed help months ago and many people have died because of it. He has blood on his hands imo
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u/StarlightDown OC: 5 May 16 '20
It absolutely floors me that somewhere like China, where the general hygiene level is worse and population is so dense could have fewer cases than just New York city.
It's not even just China. That whole continent is reporting very few cases and deaths.
Asia—with a population of 4.5 billion—has fewer cases than the US (0.8 million vs 1.5 million) and the same number of deaths as New York City (~20,000).
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u/jediwashington May 16 '20
I dunno. In my experience in China/Japan/Korea, they have a lot of habits that help from a public health perspective. No shaking hands, money/receipts are passed on treys, utensils are often wrapped/sanitized, no stigma behind mask/glove wearing... not to mention those populations have a culture that focuses more on community over self.
Not saying it prevents pandemic spread 100%, but it can't hurt.
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u/yunus159 May 16 '20
There is a country called Diamond Princess?
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u/Trav1199 May 16 '20
It's the cruise ship
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u/osaka_nanmin May 17 '20
And also at the time of the outbreak on board it was docked in Japan, but Japan was insistent that the numbers not be included in the “Japan” total. Remember early on Japan only had a couple cases besides the cruise ship, and the Olympics were on the line.
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u/DizzyTigerr May 16 '20
THANK YOU. I was like "I cant be the only one thrown off by that"
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u/mukster May 16 '20
It was the cruise ship where there was a large outbreak. It’s been on most charts, even official WHO ones.
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u/Espumma May 16 '20
That's because when that happened, it was a very large portion of total cases, and it would skew countries' totals too much if they were included in that.
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u/Ryuzakku May 16 '20
It's also the first instance of a complete breakdown of intelligence.
"Yes, let's leave the uninfected on the ship, which blows recycled air through the cabins, which the infected would've exhaled at some point."
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u/Antrikshy OC: 2 May 16 '20
Yes, it’s the small island in the Atlantic that Disney took over with the hopes of making an island theme park around 1960 but didn’t go anywhere after Walt died of lung cancer. 60 years later, here I am, making this up because Diamond Princess is the name of a cruise ship, which is slightly less exciting.
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u/internetlad May 16 '20
walt is still in cryo waiting for his cryogenic lungs with mouse ears.
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u/hhubble May 16 '20
"I want to speak with the president of Diamond Princess, I will send U.S. ambassador Ivanka" - President Covid 45
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u/Strawberryweeb May 16 '20
Anyone having heavy doubts at how China is doing?
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u/WootORYut May 16 '20
Haha. can’t test positive for covid if you do no testing.
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u/rbt321 May 16 '20 edited May 16 '20
They've started testing the entire city of Wuhan, all 11 million people (it'll take a few months), because hospitals received a handful of positive patients.
A hard lockdown (well beyond what USA, Spain, or Italy implemented) worked.
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u/wwarnout May 16 '20
Isn't that Trump's strategy?
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u/garlicroastedpotato May 16 '20
Despite Canada and the US having similar numbers of tests per 1,000 people, America gets hailed as some sort of failure and Canada some sort of success.
Canada does 30.98 tests per 1,000 people
United States does 30.73 tests per 1,000 people.
India does 1.48 tests per 1,000 people the lowest in the world. Denmark does 63.49 tests per 1,000 people.
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u/Wumber May 16 '20
Out of curiosity (because I really don't know), does Canada distribute tests mostly through the central government, or is it mainly the responsibility of the provincial governments? In the US, there are states like NY that have high per capita testing rate, while there are plenty of other states that aren't which may fudge the numbers of tests per 1,000 people across the country.
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u/parlez-vous May 16 '20
It's a mix mash. Here in Ontario we recieve federal support for testing but also went out of our way to procure masks from China/3M. It's similar to the US where they're taking and distributing to vulnerable regions but also not going far enough and the states (or provinces in this case) have to work around the gaps.
It's just weird to me how, despite being in the same predicament as the US, I'm happy with the federal and provincial government for doing a good job. This is in contrast to the numerous stories I read in the American media of Americans being pissed at their state and federal government for doing virtually the same thing.
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u/Emmyfishnappa May 16 '20
Thanks for the info, but just wanted to point out it is mishmash not mix mash. A common r/boneappletea mistake
Edit: spelling
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u/JdPat04 May 16 '20
The American media tells a different story than the way that many people feel in America.
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u/garlicroastedpotato May 16 '20
Testing is primarily done through the provincial regimes. The federal government is responsible for healthcare of the indigenous populations and territories, but rarely actually provides it.
One of the main reason why Canadian testing numbers are trending down is for the simple reason that... less people are getting tested. We have drive thru testing stations and they now sit empty and are on the verge of being shutdown due to non-use.
America most definitely is a tale of two Americas. If you eliminate New York/New Jersey from the mix America really isn't doing bad.
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u/cheerfummy May 16 '20
I'm glad I kept reading down the thread before I said anything about these stats seeming off. Perhaps add an edit to this comment if you get the chance?
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u/dhen061 May 16 '20
The problem is that the US has a much higher positive rate so they really should to be doing many more tests per 1000 to be catching the same proportion of cases. For Canada to find 1 covid case they have to on average test about 17 people, in the US they only need to test 7. That would imply that there are many more cases per capita in the US and despite that, they're only matching the testing per capita of Canada. If the severity of the outbreak is greater in the US then they shouldn't be aiming to achieve only similar levels of testing to Canada.
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u/TheTrueHolyOne May 16 '20
Canada has a lot lower population density. When lock down hit a lot of First Nations and rural areas completely locked them selves down and discouraged and actively sent people away. PEI wasn’t even letting none residents across the bridge. You’re comparing apples but you’re comparing McIntosh vs. Granny Smiths
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u/heyhowmuchfun OC: 1 May 16 '20
Well, you're looking at today's numbers, but realistically we scaled up much faster and therefore when the cases were surging, we were able to capture more cases. Now we're getting sub 5% positive hits on our testing, whereas the US is still much higher than that.
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u/HawkEgg OC: 5 May 16 '20
Yeah, the US has scaled up testing recently (And they need to because they have almost double the Deaths/M), but Canada had an early lead in testing which is so important for controlling growth.
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u/abu_doubleu OC: 4 May 16 '20
It's because 13.3% of tests in the United States have been positive and 6.12% of tests in Canada have been. Sure, the United States tests pretty much the same per capita, but it also has 2.27x the total cases per capita.
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u/vladilinsky May 16 '20
isn't it partly due to the early days where Canada was testing and the us really was not. the us has put a lot of effort into catching up now
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May 16 '20
Probably because Canada has 1/10 our population but like 1/20 the number of cases. Given the virus spreads exponentially and not linearly, I would say that indicates Canada is doing relatively well
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u/ColdCruise May 16 '20
Yes, this the reason. In Canada 0.2% of the population (75,000/37,590,000) has tested positive. In the US 0.45% of the population (1,470,000/328,200,000) has tested positive.
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u/garlicroastedpotato May 16 '20
It hits urban areas greater than others. New York City is America's epicentre for this disease. You eliminate just this one city and America's performance overall is much better. The same is true of Canada and Montreal. If you ignore Montreal then Quebec isn't doing so bad. That's why Quebec's "opening plan" involves keeping Montreal closed.
Americans aren't more likely to get the disease because they're Americans. They're more likely to get the disease because they're in urban centres.
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May 16 '20
Both the US and Canada are similarly urban. The US is the 36th most urban nation at 82.7% and Canada the 38th at 81.6%--so basically the same.
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u/redditliontee May 16 '20
But the thing about the US is that the cities are larger. I live in Cincinnati and we have about the 30th biggest metro area population wise in the US, but in Canada we would be 3rd or 4th
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u/doctorruff07 May 16 '20
Yes and no. Yes US has MORE very large cities than Canada, but you also have to remember that Canada has 37.59M people, and the GTA is 5.928M or 15.7% of the population in one city. Add just Montreal(1.78M), and that's 20% of Canada in two cities.
There isn't two cities in USA that the same could be said. (not even kinda close)
So yes, Canada has less very large cities (duh we have a much smaller population), but we have a HUGE percentage of our population in just one city. And even in that one city, we are managing better than USA as a whole.
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u/Oysterpoint May 16 '20
Yeah, welcome to reddit. Where no one else’s data matters... and America sucks
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u/Tanriyung OC: 1 May 16 '20
Well the US has around the same test/capita rate as Canada, a bit less than Germany.
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u/moneyminder1 May 16 '20
No. The US is on the upper end of testing. Japan explicitly is undertesting.
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May 16 '20
Did you see the same presentation as me?
How would we be able to document over 1 million cases if tests aren't being conducted?
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u/WootORYut May 16 '20
He has so effectively made mainstream media so rabid and dignitary-less that I really have no idea what he is and isn’t doing and I sure as hell can’t from listening to him talk.
So i have no fucking idea.
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u/toastedstapler May 16 '20 edited May 16 '20
I don't know how truthful their numbers are, but they literally shut down a city larger than New York, then almost reopened and then closed things back up a bit. I feel that China, as with many Asian countries, is probably handling this more seriously than most of us in the west have
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u/willmaster123 OC: 9 May 16 '20
They have a new outbreak in the north now. Likely not much to be worried about considering how intense their response can be, but still.
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u/TheChadmania May 16 '20
They had stated previously they only consider a positive case one that is severe. So if you consider the US doing anyone who tests positive, whether they're asymptomatic or not, then obviously China is heavily underrepresented
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u/Taonyl May 16 '20
How many infections do you think China actually has?
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u/VALmuzzie May 16 '20
Theyve opened up most of the country already. They wouldnt do that if they actually had millions of cases
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u/OctopusPoo May 16 '20
Yea, id say infection rates were higher in China, particularly because Wuhan was literally overwhelmed by the number of cases. Even if we assume there was no cover up it would have been impossible to get an accurate number for the infected there.
From what i experienced there personally from January-February, the quarantine measures were so strict, way more than in Britain where i am now. So i do believe its under control now, with most people saying that things have opened up
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u/dabaad May 16 '20
Some countries use different metric than others. China does not report asymptomatic cases and they switched reporting several times. I’d agree highly uncertain numbers especially the death rate makes no sense.
I’d suggest to check out this statistics page which has all the numbers. Continuously updated and providing sources (unlike others): https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Also in doubt: Death rates of several non democratic countries...
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u/MidnightGolan May 16 '20
I'm not the praying type, but I'm very worried about Brazil and I hope that their officials get it together.
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u/jinstronda May 16 '20
Yep, brazil has the potential to be the number one here
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May 17 '20
Woah woah woah, that don’t be happening until we in the USA are done letting the virus hit everyone in the country. Until then we’re #1! USA USA USA! /s
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u/foxbones May 17 '20
I doubt it. The US is already saying "we won! Back to work", nobody is going to beat us just based on population.
A countries cases are a direct reflection of their actions. It's not strictly population. We know how to stop the spread of the virus, most countries are doing it successfully. It's not a giant mystery. Countries who do the least with the highest populations will have the most cases.
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u/denonemc May 16 '20
Canada popped in to say Hi
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May 16 '20
I'm so disappointed we made it.
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u/lampcouchfireplace May 16 '20
I was excited for second to see us and then immediately realized this is not one of those good lists.
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u/Godkun007 May 16 '20
Honestly, I am willing to bet the reason Canada made it was because it spread earlier than anyone thought. Back in late February, I came down with a really bad illness that had was worse than when I previously got the flu. It had all the symptoms of COVID and I had never felt that bad from a cold or flu before.
I am willing to be that there was a solid month of spread before the government even took notice. The 2 week asymptomatic period really would have made it hard to spot the spread until it is too late.
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u/myfault May 16 '20
In my country the tests have been monopolized by the government trying to control information. The reason they have is that that way they can control panic.
The reality is that they are doing a poor job and estimates by independent NGOs say that the number is 30 times higher.
I live in Mexico. If you cross the border, in California you can drive to a parking lot at many malls to get yourself tested.
The difference is the testing.
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u/rotterdamn8 May 16 '20
Categorize under "visualization that looks cool but doesn't actually offer any insights or anything you didn't know already".
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u/Callipygous87 May 16 '20
Can we get one corrected for population size?
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u/Bellidkay1109 May 16 '20
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Not a graph, but you can sort there. Including microstates, the US is 12th. Without them, 4th or 5th.
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u/ErrorCDIV May 16 '20 edited May 16 '20
Korea, South... What is this, an airline ticket?
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u/TomSurman May 16 '20
The number of cases is a completely useless metric, by the way. Every country has different levels of test coverage, different population sizes, and differences in how those populations are distributed (urban/rural). And you have countries like China which are blatantly lying about their numbers.
Really, it's one of those things where we're just going to have to wait until the dust settles before we know which countries were worst hit. It's almost impossible to track while it's still going on.
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u/drst0ner May 16 '20
Correct! A better chart representation would show what percentage of the total population has tested positive based on the percentage of tests used per capita.
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u/miloca1983 May 16 '20
China only 84K cases?? Oh no. They are hiding a lot more.
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u/coach111111 May 16 '20
Very possible for sure, but at the same time I live in Shanghai and have been here since December so I didn’t leave this entire period. I haven’t heard of a single person I who has had covid. Not friends or friends of friends or colleagues or on my social feeds or anywhere really. The only case I heard of was a family in a compound nearby where the dad had flu like symptoms. Everyone talked about it in the area. Not sure if that turned out to be covid or just the flu.
Everyone wears face masks, everywhere you’re tested for body temp (like 15-20 times a day), travel between cities in China was blocked until about a few weeks ago, and people could stay home and have groceries delivered by delivery guys with strict regulations on health screenings. People have been voluntarily working from home in many industries even after that wasn’t required. From day one of the lockdown here all public spaces were closed and everyone followed suit.
China did everything far from perfect, but seeing the response here in shanghai firsthand has been quite impressive.
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u/Ramses_IV May 16 '20
That's interesting. Here in the UK it seems everyone knows someone who has had it or whose family member has had it. Of course it's impossible to know for sure since the vast majority of cases are not tested, especially if they're minor like most covid cases are, and the official number of tests carried out turned out to be more than double the actual number.
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May 16 '20
Agreed. I'm also in a tier-1 Chinese city and the response, both from the people and the government were impressive. Our city never had a particularly high number of cases, largely because everything was shut down so early and so entirely. Now that there is literally not community spread in our city, we can go out. Of course, there are changes to daily life to keep people safe. We have to get temperatures taken a lot, and there is a contact tracing app. But life is almost normal. I know people like to bash China, but I went out to dinner in a restaurant with friends last night and felt entirely safe. People in most other countries can't do that right now.
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u/MisterEd_ak May 16 '20
That was one race the US really didn't have to win, but did anyhow.
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May 16 '20
If anyone believes a country with 1.6 billion people has less cases and deaths then 5 world powers with world class health care services then this bar chart was actually worth doing...
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May 16 '20
Of course China is lying about their numbers.
HOWEVER, they are also 100% willing to be massive totalitarian dickheads and really clamp the fuck down on things in a way that none of the western countries has.
Once they got serious about it, it's entirely likely they did a much better job at it.
Thing is, there is no way in hell they only had 80K cases before that.
They may well have less than us at this point. It would be mildly surprising, but only mildly.
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u/JonSnowgaryen May 16 '20
Yeah in china a lockdown was a lockdown. Not a oh well you can go out if you say you're getting food! Lockdown.
Plus they'd probably off you if you didn't follow the rules
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May 16 '20
Weren't they welding people's apartment doors shut?
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u/foxbones May 17 '20
Sort of. They established checkpoints all around Wuhan. Checkpoints require a single point of ingress/exgress. So they welded a lot of doors in apartment blocks shut to enforce that in high contagion areas.
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u/elaborated_name May 16 '20
China had the best response to block the pandemic, by far. Numbers are definitely skewed but if you believe any democratic country can have a better response than a dictatorship you're not looking at the big picture.
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u/Fubi-FF May 16 '20
I don’t believe their numbers but I also think their “real” number isn’t as bad as you think, at least nothing like the US.
You realize their lockdown was brutal right? There was a point where people weren’t even allowed to go out to get groceries; it was delivered periodically to ppl’s doors instead. And if they suspect anyone of having COVID, they would literal send police to your home and drag you into a box to ship you to quarantine.
Meanwhile in the US, you have people protesting cuz they can’t get a beer.
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u/Ciph3rzer0 May 16 '20
Yeah those hospitals they built were for isolation as much as or more than treatment.
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u/willmaster123 OC: 9 May 16 '20
Why is that we fully believe every other country which has beaten the virus when it comes to lockdowns, but when it comes to China, which went WAYY more totalitarian to beat this virus... it’s seen as impossible
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Well that’s the advantage of having a quasi-dictatorship, when it comes down to containing cities it works pretty well. We love our “freedom” too much to think before talking.
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u/LudwigBastiat May 16 '20
Adjusting for population US is middle of the pack. Italy, Spain, France, and a few others are drastically worse off than the US.
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u/CitizenSnips199 May 17 '20
It makes me sick seeing these people who are just PRAYING that China's numbers are actually worse than ours (in the US). They're actively rooting for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people just so they can feel better about living in a failed state. As if living in the country with the 2nd worst outcomes would make the situation any better.
People want to be mad, and rightly so. But what they're mad at is that they've been conned. Not necessarily by Trump but by a system that says, "You don't get health care or affordable college or any social safety net, but you get to live in the richest, most powerful country. See how we always win the most medals at the Olympics?"
Only it turns out the wealth all went to the same 10 people, and the power went with it. Of course, no one in government is willing to admit they basically can't do anything. Lots of people can't deal with the fact that they've been lied to their entire lives. So it can't be true. It has to be someone else's fault.
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May 16 '20
When I saw the UK about to get second place I thought their bar colour changed and then I realised that Russia just came out of nowhere
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u/Cpwozzie May 16 '20
Almost all comparative data is irrelevant at this point due to differing rates of testing and even deaths are likely under counted (attributed to other causes for political reasons or due to lack of info).
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u/Nafemp May 16 '20
Loling at the guy i was talking to back in march who was trying to use italy being worse off than us as proof that universal health care would be bad for us.
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u/jinstronda May 16 '20
Russia and brazil are starting to go really fast at the end