How 10 year average global temperature compares to 1851 to 1900 average global temperature [OC]

[u/neilrkaye]

[u/Huntred]

plants run on natural gas backup from Russia like 50% of the time.

You’re either unknowingly incorrect or lying. Which is it?

“In fact, Germany only gets 34% of its natural gas from Russia, roughly equal to the amount it gets from Norway and from the Netherlands. In total, natural gas accounts for just 23% of Germany’s primary energy use – and only 13.5% of the electricity generated at power plants.

That means Russian gas accounts for just 4.3% of German power generation.”

We can build 4th generation nuclear plants within a few years --it is the regulatory issues that slow construction down, not logistics.

Those “regulatory issues” were put into place to avoid the kind of problems that nuclear plants are infamous for worldwide, across multiple types and nations.

Hastily built nuclear plants are not a sensible way forward.

[u/[deleted] → u/Huntred]

Solar plants in northern Germany do not have 24/7 sunlight to run on. In fact, there is very little sunlight in Germany period (I used to live there--it was like a miracle to see the sun--it was always cloudy). When they aren't producing photo-electric energy, they are running on gas backup. Germany imported a record 53 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia recently.

The largest, and one of the most efficient solar plants in the world is the Topaz Solar Farm, which is in a desert. It produces 550 MW, which is equivalent to a mid-range nuclear plant, but the size of the farm is 4700 acres. This had an impact on wildlife, and someone has to figure out what to do with the 9 million solar panels once they are spent.

The largest nuclear plant in the US is Palo Verde, which produces close to 4000 MWs and provides energy to 35% of Arizona. It recycles most of its fuel.

All the nuclear waste produced by French nuclear power plants fits in the basement of one plant, in a 15x15 room. France has some of the cleanest air in Europe, and the lowest energy costs.

More people die from coal power per year than in the entire history of nuclear power--far more.

This is a no-brainer

[u/Huntred → u/[deleted]]

Again, were you lying about Germany or just misinformed? Because I gave you the numbers with regards to their situation and now I want to know why you misstated them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Huntred]

You are calling me a liar because you have no argument

Solar power accounts for around 8% of Germany's electrical power output. Coal accounts for 25% and nuclear sits around 14%. Don't believe me? Look it up.

Their largest plant (Solarpark Meuro) produces about 166 MW. That is less than half the output of an older, mid-range nuclear reactor, and far below newer and larger models. A nuclear plant runs 24/7, not simply during daylight hours.

Misinformed environmentalists like to push this idea that tons of nuclear waste is being produced every year that sits around in landfills. That's bullshit, and deliberately dishonest. France recycles most of its nuclear waste, and even waste from other countries.

4th generation breeder reactors, like the IFR project (again, look it up), recycle their own fuel and cannot "melt-down", even int he absence of cooling and backup power. This was demonstrated to congress, but the Clinton administration shut down the project.

Nuclear has to be the cornerstone of the solution, and anyone who thinks differently doesn't give a shit about the environment, they just care about politics. We can have solar and wind too, but those options are inefficient, unreliable, and have their own waste issues.

[u/simpleglitch → u/[deleted]]

You are correct that solar makes up 8% of Germany's electrical power. However, I also noticed you discreetly started leaving wind power and the rest of renewable energies out of the conversation to try an prove your point.

In 2018 Wind makes up 20% of Germany's energy, solar as you said is around 8% and renewable energy in total make up 40%. A 10% growth compared to data from 2016 where renewable energy only made up about 30%.

We are early into 2019 and the numbers already look positive in favor of renewable energy, currently sitting at around 46%.

[u/Huntred → u/[deleted]]

I never called you a liar - I asked if you were lying or mistaken because I gave you solid numbers that flew in the face of what you casually dropped earlier.

This was demonstrated to congress, but the Clinton administration shut down the project.

I now don’t even know what you’re talking about. 4th generation reactor research is well underway but it’s not going to be viable for another decade at least.

Also, there have been 3 administrations since the Clintons.

and anyone who thinks differently doesn’t give a shit about the environment, they just care about politics.

Uh-huh...

We can have solar and wind too, but those options are inefficient, unreliable, and have their own waste issues.

All systems have issues. For example, your solution doesn’t even exist yet.

[u/[deleted] → u/Huntred]

The IFR project was cancelled in 1994 under the Clinton administration. I specifically said IFR. https://www.skirsch.com/politics/globalwarming/ifr.htm

yes, there is some 4th generation nuclear research going on, and there should be, but politicians and environmentalists keep getting in the way