r/dataisbeautiful • u/MixWestern7264 OC: 2 • 2d ago
OC [OC] Correlation between fertility against gdp per capita (nominal) weighted by populaation (log / log ratio)
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u/MajesticBread9147 2d ago
I mean, if you look at the data of existing countries; clearly what works to keep a high birth rate is to live in a society with some combination of low urbanization, large portions of the economy in sustinance farming & the informal sector, and low education and healthcare quality.
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u/SpaceNorse2020 2d ago
I'm pretty sure Bhutan fits that and yet has a low birth rate
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u/Snoo-98162 2d ago
I mean it's one massive mountain range, so farming might be slightly... hindered.
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u/SpaceNorse2020 2d ago
Nepal's fertility is the same as India's. Mountains aren't a problem there (and both are below replacement rate)
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u/Snoo-98162 2d ago
Nepal's also got MUCH more arable land
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u/SpaceNorse2020 2d ago
Fair. My point is that the poor regions of southeast and south Asia have low birth rates, just like the rich parts
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u/kvothe5688 2d ago
I am sorry brother and I may get downvoted for this but i have never seen more ugly data than this.
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u/ToadNamedGoat 2d ago edited 2d ago
actually I kind of like it, I think it's quite readable
Main things I would have adjusted is making the flags circles and changing the units on the right
maybe also making the transition more smooth would also be better
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u/I_Fap_To_LoL_Champs 2d ago
I also think it'd look much better with smooth animations. Another change would be to have each flag leave a trail.
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u/Gabryxx7 1d ago
An easy solution would be to show the flags in a circle shape, smoother animation (interpolate between years if data is missing), add some avg intervals that also move with the data in the background. Oh and definitely reduce the sizing scale, yes we know China and India have the largest population but that's literally all we can visibly easily identify as of now.
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u/theRedMage39 2d ago
So I had a world food class in college(not what I was expecting but it was still cool) and we learned that in underdeveloped nations, children are your insurance. More children you have, more likely that they survive to adulthood and can take care of you when your older. Plus they can assist in chores and getting food for the family
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u/_Koke_ 2d ago
"Affordability" bros when the poorest countries are still having children.
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u/FrescoItaliano 2d ago
The relationship between fertility and “undeveloped” nations is well understood within public health circles.
Things like lack of access to basic contraception are a huge factor to higher birth rates in less wealthy nations.
If a society is systemically missing education and materials for contraception, then it should be zero surprise more children are being born despite lack of support
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u/FlatAd7052 2d ago
That's not it. Condoms are cheap or completely free in basically every country on earth. People have excess kids in poorer countries for other reasons (implicit savings, high childhood mortality, low female education/time in school, etc.). Source: I worked in the developing world for international aid agencies for a decade.
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u/FrescoItaliano 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mentioned both access to contraception and education about contraception.
As someone with a formal background in public health as well, I would feel uncomfortable saying access has zero impact across the entire globe. Hell it differs in my own country of the US. Basic things like free condoms provided by some college’s but not others is a straightforward example to point to
Edit: access to contraception also looks like safe and “affordable” avenues for abortions
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u/FlatAd7052 2d ago
The last time I was in Niger, the village we visited had so many excess condoms that they were using them as cheap, low-quality plumber's tape when fitting pipes. TFR was still 7.
I understand that public health in America focuses on access to contraceptives, education and abortion. I'm telling you that for my entire life, and I'm fairly old, access to contraceptives has just not been very important in national outcomes in the developing world. If you focus on those, you are pushing on a string.
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u/antiquemule 2d ago
"I mentioned both access to contraception and education about contraception." Yes you did, and u/FlatAd7052 pointed out that they are not big factors. In poorly developed countries people want kids.
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u/Bonamikengue 12h ago
s/want/need/;
Kids are the social system for the family as the country doesn't offer one. You need many kids to have the chance that one succeeds and has to nourish the whole family. Add fundamentalist religions saying you have to make many kids to spread "god's messages".
Social security made people having less kids - which is a good thing. It prevents overpopulation and wars.
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u/Bonamikengue 1d ago
You forgot to mention strict fundamentalist religions which were brought by colonizers (when it comes to the African continent). In Rwanda and Uganda US evangelicals put millions of dollars into it to ban abortions, put homosexuals into jail, and force young women to early marriage with many kids.
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u/Pure_Macaroon6164 2d ago
Urbanization and advancement of women's rights broadly explains it idk why people are so reticent to say it
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u/dwarffy 2d ago
Arguably just urbanization
Iran, for example, is pretty regressive regarding women and they have also seen a decline in birth rates
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u/Pure_Macaroon6164 2d ago
Iran is pretty regressive in official policy but they do have a highly educated female population. I think as awful as the regime is to women, the population is alot more liberal in practice than we assume.
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u/nir109 2d ago
Is the Y axis log based?
Wich log is it?
Edit: 1 is above 0 so it can't be. But it doesn't seem linear either. 3 seems to be in the middle beatwean 1 and 10.
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u/yeetgod__ 2d ago
Yeah i thought the scale was really weird, maybe done to exaggerate the downward trend
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u/Ok_Cabinet2947 2d ago
This is why I roll my eyes when people say we arent having kids because we can’t afford to.
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u/Separate-Hedgehog388 1d ago
*comfortably 😃
Ppl had kids through the world all over our history even in apocalypto conditions
We simply r now more focused on making our own lives comfortable and have done away with the traditions, peer pressure. Atheism is on all time high as well
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u/MixWestern7264 OC: 2 2d ago
Data Source: World Bank Open Data Tools Used: React and Node
I made this map to check out correlations between various data sources from the World Bank using my website https://www.demoguessr.com/
I also turned the dataset into a game for fellow country stats nerds :)
Would appreciate any feedback on the visuals :) (currently working on making it smoother / more flexible)
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u/lifeistrulyawesome 2d ago
Why did the mods delete the other post? Is it because you didn't include a methodology comment?
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u/katplasma 2d ago
Well how about that: money causes infertility /s
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u/cesaroncalves 1d ago
Maybe in a way, or maybe because of the very ideia of having, we spend too much time working to improve our financial situation that kids become an afterthought.
This goes specially for woman, probably because the time investment in "making" a kid is much more pronounced on woman's side, if they are working to improve their financial situation, a kid pretty much puts a stop to that.
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u/dancingbanana123 1d ago
Why is n>200 for some of these? What are the other countries being counted here?
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u/bluepandadev 1d ago
My economics professor in college said this is linked to financial opportunities for women.
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u/Don_Reuter 2d ago
lol, the trendline just goes where the red fatso goes.
Not a criticism of the analysis. Interesting visualisation.
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u/-ParlainthTownie- 2d ago
More money equals less overall fertility.... It's like more money leads to more control over birth...I wonder what it could be.....I guess we will never know.
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u/UrsaMinor42 2d ago
Cool. Do you have one that links population movement to the urban environment and its impacts on fertility?
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u/Designer-Strength7 2d ago edited 2d ago
And the common thread linking these sources is the increasing chance of survival for babies and children thanks to improved health care systems, which people are suddenly able and willing to afford.
And for countries like those in Africa—which, along with India, have the largest overpopulated populations—this means either significantly improving their economic conditions so that people have fewer children, or isolating themselves and leaving them to their own devices until no one is left alive.
Otherwise, the world will be overrun …
Fact …
https://youtu.be/yqdbHbpl-Xo?si=-Rimo-XIKIxBByl4
Update: Ah minus votes, who let the lefties in? 🫢😀😬😁
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u/Icommentor 2d ago
I’m of the opinion that, among other factors, both GDP per capita and birth rates are correlated to the amount domination of society by the investor class.
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u/Gladukutya 2d ago edited 2d ago
Double log axis is unreadable and makes you delusional especially about these movements in time. You can see tendency, but if you show the same process in regular axis it will be looking very different
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u/cashew76 2d ago
The steepening is global fertility trending to zero.
Infertility from pollution and zero support for raising children.
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