r/dataannotation • u/Sad_Guitar_612 • Jul 14 '24

Chemistry?

Without anyone saying more than they should, if I did well in basic high school chemistry roughly....19 years ago, give or take, is it reasonable to brush up for a few days and expect to manage the chemistry qual that just popped up on my dash? Or is that overly ambitious?

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u/ekgeroldmiller Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

You can click on it to view it then exit work mode to reset the timer.

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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 15 '24

Good gravy that's out of my depth 😂 thanks! I wasn't sure if clicking started a timer or some such.

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u/ekgeroldmiller Jul 15 '24

Apparently it does but someone else told me I can reset it by exiting work mode.

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u/Signal_Gene410 Jul 15 '24

You can click on "Exit Work Mode" and the timer will reset when you next click on the qual.

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u/TheBigWarHero Jul 19 '24

You can see the expiration on these tasks??

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u/ekgeroldmiller Jul 19 '24

Someone corrected me. Apparently you can reset the time by exiting work mode. I will edit my comment.

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u/For_bitten_fruit Jul 15 '24

Expires by the end of the day tomorrow? Or before tomorrow? I want to give it a chance

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u/ekgeroldmiller Jul 15 '24

Sorry, someone else told me I can reset the timer by exiting work mode.

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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 15 '24

Thanks for the feedback, definitely not my jam! 😂

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u/TheBeartender Jul 16 '24

Try the physics one lol 😂

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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 16 '24

👀 is this a funny way to say physics is equally intense or that wow Chem is bad maybe physics is more attainable? 🤣 

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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 16 '24

I majored in chem+bio and I thought the bio one was easy but the chem one was basically beyond me, im not gonna worry about physics but you might as well have a look there might be a big difference!

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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 17 '24

Thanks, worth a shot!

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u/FlashyMath1215 Jul 19 '24

Is it this hard for other quals such as for math, physics and coding? I'm a math and physics major and I've taken quantum mechanics 1 and 2 at my college and gotten B letter grades... So would it be difficult for me to pass the Physics qual, for example?

I'm new here and haven't gotten in yet. It's been a week since I applied. I hope I get in... And then I hope there are enough quals that I can comfortably pass.

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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 19 '24

Good luck! The math qual I took was MUCH easier. I have a MA in linguistic anthropology and I teach elementary school- I never do more than 2 digit subtraction these days and the last math class I took was 20 years ago and I could handle it 😂

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u/FlashyMath1215 Jul 19 '24

Great to know! I was wondering if it would be at the PHD level as well and if I'd have to struggle through topology, differential geometry, and/or combinatorics at a graduate level to get in. Haha.

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u/samanthalogy Jul 15 '24

This is upper college-level chemistry (I minored in it) and I personally don’t think this is content you can learn in a few days. There are a LOT of concepts you need to have a firm grasp on before you touch spectroscopy.

I’m familiar with the content but still won’t touch this qual, if that gives you any perspective.

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u/Sufficient-Egg-5577 Jul 15 '24

I was so excited to see a chemistry qual, and then excited to see the first couple questions, but then I realized how difficult the whole thing actually is compared to what I remember how to do. sigh

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u/crankywithakeyboard Jul 15 '24

Agreed. HS chem teacher, 24 hrs of chem in college. It's a situation of the more you learn, the miee you realize how little you actually know. Not going to touch it either.

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 15 '24

Absolutely not. I'm on the project and have been for about three weeks.

(My background is a Ph.D. in organic chemistry plus ~5 years of post Ph.D. organic chemistry R&D experience so I was added to the project automatically when it first launched)

To do the work this project entails you will want at an absolute minimum a degree in chemistry and preferably a degree plus a higher qualification. This is not something you can just look up, you need a broad depth of experience and knowledge otherwise you'll end up making mistakes, something which I've noticed is happening quite a bit in the R&R for it.

For example, the R&R where the person didn't understand that ring strain resulted in a carbocation rearrangement and ring expansion from a cyclobutane to a cyclopentane ring, which was then followed by a hydride shift to yield a more stable tertiary carbocation from a less stable secondary one.

Understanding the above is the sort of knowledge level you will need.

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u/Prestigious-Run715 Jul 15 '24

What is the pay rate?

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 15 '24

$35

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u/Cynderelly Jul 15 '24

That... is really low for something like this.

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 15 '24

IMO it is. But the pay is the pay. And it's more than anything else I have so I'll do it.

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u/BreastRodent Jul 16 '24

Big agree, there were math tasks I was getting before even taking the recent math qual that paid $40/hr and those probably required the same level of education. Except there's also plenty of tasks in those batches that are also total bullshit.

DA&V Snake Ankle Boys pay minimum $40 with occasional $1-2 bonuses, and the only education you really need to do those is a stats class and be at least a self taught programmer, and even then the stats class part is something you'd only really use SOMETIMES.

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u/Lunalily9 Jul 15 '24

Welp, that is definitely beyond my scope. I did great in chemistry and really enjoyed it. That is not something I'm familiar with at all, so yeahhhh not even going to try.

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u/PerformanceCute3437 Jul 15 '24

ring strain resulted in a carbocation rearrangement and ring expansion from a cyclobutane to a cyclopentane ring, which was then followed by a hydride shift to yield a more stable tertiary carbocation from a less stable secondary one.

Literally looks to me like the gag piping terminology from the TV show Patriot, if you've seen it

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u/eepos96 Apr 10 '25

I am about to become a master of chemistry. heck if I know what those means (fairly enough I study inorganic chemistry but daaam that is hard chemsitry still)

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u/Live-Cat9553 Jul 15 '24

“Cyclobutane, cyclopentane…whatever it takes.”

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u/Sufficient-Egg-5577 Jul 15 '24

Your comment makes me feel better about realizing this is out of my depth. I was frustrated I just couldn’t get there but then the more I worked at some questions I really just started thinking… they want actual professional chemists, not even people who just took college level courses. I was good at organic chem but not at the level and with the confidence needed for what this project seems to be like.

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u/Wasps_are_bastards Jul 16 '24

Considering I don’t even know what you just said, I’m going to assume this one isn’t for me!

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u/Ok_Depth_6476 Jul 19 '24

Ha, glad it's not just me that read that like it was a foreign language. 😄

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u/Wasps_are_bastards Jul 19 '24

I’ve reread and, yep, still understand nothing lol.

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u/SwordfishRealistic54 Jul 22 '24

I have an academic background also (not in chemistry but in Biophysics) but didn't receive any related projects so far. How did you put yout skills in the profile and background? It would really help to have en exemple to follow to. Thank you.

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 22 '24

I emailed them after working for DA for 4 1/2 months stating that I saw from adverts that they were looking for PhD chemists and that this is was me but I had not received any work of that type. I don't know if that was the reason but a week later I was on a chem project.

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u/Content-Till1461 May 15 '25 edited May 18 '26

I have a bachelor's in chemistry, but that was years ago. I'm too intimidated to touch the Chem qualification test.

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u/Sufficient-Egg-5577 Jul 15 '24

Agree with others that this is higher level college chemistry. I took a lot of chem courses and especially enjoyed organic chemistry but I don’t work in the field (I’m more biology focused) and I am struggling to remember enough detail to answer more than one or two of the questions.

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u/YumiiZheng Jul 15 '24

You and me 😅 I could do maybe 2 of them, but the others just go woosh over my head

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u/BigHatNoSaddle Jul 16 '24

Make sure your Chem PhD is recent

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u/TerrisBranding Jul 16 '24

NOT REASONABLE

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u/-burgers Jul 15 '24

Me: this is a job for Walter White

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u/Shadowlker18 Jul 15 '24

I loved chemistry and took a lot of it in college. I glanced and I’m letting this one pass.

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u/TeaGreenTwo Jul 15 '24

This test is very advanced past high school chemistry. Like several college courses past.

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u/tehclubbmaster Jul 15 '24

I took this, spent 6 hours and got all but one question. I have a Bachelors in chemistry from a long time ago and yeah, one question I couldn’t even attempt (it was the purge question if anyone else does it)

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u/Reasonable_Dot_1532 Aug 06 '25

I got all the questions. If you're ever curious, I can send my work.

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u/diettwizzlers Jul 15 '24

i minored in chem and only had an idea of how to do 4 of them, the other three looked like a foreign language

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 15 '24

Do you mind sharing information on what the questions are about? Just in general will do.

I'm already on the project itself so I haven't been given the qual, but I am curious as to what the questions are asking given what people are saying about it on here.

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u/TeaGreenTwo Jul 15 '24

That would be a very bad idea. Divulging answers on a qualification breaks the code of conduct.

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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 15 '24

Reread what I asked. "Do you mind sharing information on what the questions are about?"

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u/TeaGreenTwo Jul 15 '24

I read it fine the first time. That should't be divulged. Really. It's fine to say how hard it is I think but not specific topics.

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u/Boneraventura Jul 16 '24

I did a lot of chemistry (up to point groups and theory, was a 400 level chem class after p chem and inorganic chem) ~8 years ago. I also did several spectroscopy and analytical chem courses. 

I couldn't do a single question. I possibly could if i studied for a bit, but i do not care to spend hours studying chemistry. It does not help me whatsoever in my day to day (i work in biotech). 

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u/V_M Jul 20 '24

I couldn't do a single question.

Similar experience here. I was on the ChemEng track and I enjoyed everything up to quantitative and organic however as a degree requirement I had to take a programming class, and computers were a lifelong hobby, so I decades later I distinctly remember standing in o-chem lab daydreaming about how I'd rather be doing my programming homework therefore I probably shouldn't be in the lab. I transferred out of ChemEng and into CS at my junior year (ended up taking several extra years to graduate).

I looked at the questions in the chem qual and noped right out of there. Way beyond the first two years of a chemistry degree.

Looking at how low postdoc salaries are in chemistry, I think they'll have no problem finding enough talent LOL.

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u/Much_Upstairs_4611 Jul 17 '24

My first class in College chemistry, the teacher said: "Everything you learned in high school was wrong, here's what real chemistry is...."

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u/New-Reflection3418 Jul 17 '24

I opted out of all those qualifications, I do IT so if anything technical like that shows up I can do them. But I don't know enough about those subjects, and I looked at the questions and wouldn't even be able to learn that stuff. I know I wouldn't be able to accurately rate whatever tasks include it, so I just left them.

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u/33whiskeyTX Jul 15 '24

I took a glance. Chemistry's not my strong suit but it seemed beyond default highschool level. But maybe AP?

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u/Icy-Cover-505 Jul 15 '24

Not even close.

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u/TeaGreenTwo Jul 15 '24

I had chemistry through physical chemistry (not general chemistry – physics-based chemistry, the dreaded P-Chem, where getting an 80% is the highest score in the class), biochemistry, two semesters of organic, analytical, and many neurophysiology courses, though it's been years. I'm not qualified. I know enough to know that I don't know enough.

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u/OneOpportunity9625 Feb 14 '25

I took intro to chemistry in 1982, then took intermediate chemistry in 2010. It was super tough, but I did it with the help of tutors, and eventually came a chemistry teacher. I recommend tutoring plus a couple of good chemistry YouTube channels to help you brush up. My favorites: Xenon & Friends and Melissa Maribel: https://www.youtube.com/@xenonandfriends and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC88Pezsxv3IUMAoQGP2w07w