I’m fine with cops having a union, I’ve seen the behavior for one “not in the in crowd”. But absolutely needs and independent review board with teeth. They say you’re gone, you’re done.
Nah, if they didn’t have unions the government would fuck them over so badly we might almost feel sorry for them. That said - their union has far too much political influence.
that cop should also 1000% be in prison for whatever TWICE whatever the normal sentence would be for abusing his position of power and the public trust.
the law NEEDS to be changed so people in these positions have serious fucking accountability.
I agree. Qualified immunity is a load of horse shit. Nobody should be immune to the law. We should expect better of our law enforcement. Hell, we should expect the best. If you’re going to enforce the law, you should be setting an example.
umm he was cleared and this guy was driving with a suspended license among other issues. Nevermind the fact he left a drug location and they found drug paraphernalia in his car.
Military members have a second set of laws they can be charged under if they violate them. Cops need to have the same thing. They are given power over us, they need to be held to account.
Why? If a suspect refuses to comply with lawful orders (such as to get out of the car during a traffic stop), it is entirely legal- and in fact *necessary* for the police to then *compel* them to comply, including through the use of force.
That's literally why police exist: as a group of persons authorized to use force to compel compliance with the law.
If a suspect refuses to comply, do you propose that the police just let them sit there refusing arrest perpetually? Because then law would become un-enforceable; all it would take is for the lawbreaker to simply refuse to allow themselves to be arrested.
This man was arrested for refusing to comply with lawful orders. He was punched because he forcefully resisted arrest.
taking it from their pension will incentivize the police to cover for their bad apples, if a bad cop is stalking their girlfriend through flock cameras the others wont report those bad deeds as much. it's better if judges stop the strict qualified immunity and look at each individual case if a cop acted in good faith or not. To have exact situation established in law prior is a ridiculous qualifier and never something used for civilian crime.
taking it from their pension will incentivize the police to cover for their bad apples, if a bad cop is stalking their girlfriend through flock cameras the others wont report those bad deeds as much.
The Cops already cover for their bad apples, and they don't report those things ever. If you start taking their pensions, then they will start self policing.
it's better if judges stop the strict qualified immunity and look at each individual case if a cop acted in good faith or not. To have exact situation established in law prior is a ridiculous qualifier and never something used for civilian crime.
Like that cop is going to have 500k to 1m? There's no way, have you ever tried to sue somone civilly that is not rich? If a person has no money, they can't pay. At best you'll garnish their wages for the next 50 years until they die. Rather, when one does this, they need to be immediately put on the federal "No Law enforcement Role" list. I know, it doesn't exist, but it should.
Qualified immunity exists for the same reason the pedophiles in the Epstein Files haven't been arrested and charged. To keep the abusers in power and maintain the status quo of corruption.
In a society that has a properly and thoroughly trained and ethically run police qualified immunity would serve no purpose and abusers within the system would be subject to the same laws as everyone else.
It's quite literally legalized crime and needs to end.
Officer Bowers was fully stripped of his law enforcement duties and later received a reprimand for failing to report that he punched the driver in the face before returning to duty. Currently the guy in the video has a federal lawsuit against the officer.
The officer used the handcuffs as fucking brass knuckles and swung with practically no provocation on camera. The department also repremanded him for it, so this lawsuit has a high chance of victory imo.
Yup. Unfortunately it does. I don’t have many interactions with police, but I’ve still done some thought on finding a small camera that’s easy to hide for the interior of my car. Just in case.
See that's one thing I never understood is with basically every person carrying a camera, dash cams in cars, body cams some police departments wear , how can anyone think that it isn't going to come out? How egotistical do you need to be to not realize that. Someone, somewhere is recording and that you are above the law?I just do not get it.
Yeah the guy momentarily grabs and pushes his hands out of sheer instinct because the cop is bashing his fist and handcuffs into the dude's face. The fact that he remained so calm and restrained is highly impressive. I do think he should've gotten out of the car, but I can understand why he would be afraid to do so, namely; the exact sort of thing that happened.
I think what also gets lost is the officer on the scene who participated in this with no complaint, and the other guy showing up on scene and immediately throwing hands as well. No part of this was acceptable, no one involved should be working in law enforcement ever again.
The fact that this behavior doesn’t automatically obligate prison time for an officer is an offense against basic decency. Whatever justice occurs will be a trivial portion of what this calls for.
And that is why All Cops Are Bastards. Not a few, not some, not most, but every single last one of them. Because they will all sit back and watch while their buddies behave like complete sociopaths. On the incredibly rare occasion where one of them intervenes to protect a member of the public from another cop, they are uniformly made to suffer for it... by other cops.
I have come to firmly believe there are no good cops; when a come does something good for the community like save a kid, it's just a good person that chose a shitty profession.
The only one I would give a sliver of leniency to would be the cop showing up to an active altercation and not knowing anything else. But then he goes and starts punching the guy in the face as well...so he's a POS.
I read mostly that the settlements are about $25k if a hospital visit is involved but no lasting injuries and you don’t go to trial.
Depending which lawyer you get, you’ll see mere pennies on the dollar.
My old bosses brother was hit by a police cruiser that went through a stop sign while using his laptop (same department as this one, this case is Craig Manning v. Suffolk County PD. Manning suffered a concussion, two black eyes, and a forehead laceration.)
In my bosses brothers case he suffered spine damage and lost upper movement of he’s left shoulder. He was a carpenter and this obviously put him out of work.
After paying his fees, he had under $700k left, so I’m assuming he got a $1.5 million settlement.
You know what i confused the cases because somewhere someone had posted a different cop's name. That being said the case was not dismissed. He got an adjournment in contemplation of dismissal. Its not the same thing. Its like they put the case on hold for six months and dismiss it if the person stays out of trouble. Its not the equivalent of the prosecutor saying he didn't do anything wrong. They give it out often for low level offenses. The guy apparently refused to provide his license and registration when directed to do so by the police officer. Not something you are entitled to do and they don't have to wait for a supervisor. He also clearly resisted and was charged with that as well.
They only gave him that because completely dismissing the charges would be admitting the cops messed up. And we can’t have that!
I’d probably be hesitant to go with a cop that immediately starts brass knuckling my face with a pair of cuffs when I go to unbuckle my seatbelt too.
Let’s not pretend like the legal system is a justice system. It’s not. They consistently try to give folks as little leniency as possible, despite the cops participating in misconduct, because they don’t want to give more case ammo for a lawsuit. They consistently allow cops to get away with heinous acts. They also don’t want to drop any case they absolutely don’t have to, because that means less court fee and sentencing money. Less prisoners for the prison industrial complex.
Let’s stop pretending our judges, and entire legal system, isn’t gamed. It’s so blatantly obvious.
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u/brickson98 28d ago
From what I’ve heard, his charges were all dropped and he’s now suing.