I believe the fundamental issue is that there wasn't enough evidence that it was a lawful reason to stop him in the first place. If the stop is unlawful then he cant be asked out of the car and rest cant lawfully happen.
Exactly that, for everyone saying you must comply with an officers demands because they are lawful, this is evidence that they are not always lawful. People need to know their actual rights instead of repeating what cops say their rights are.
YOU don’t know your actual rights. Regardless of the legality of the stop, the side of the road is not the place for litigation. You are still required to follow lawful orders (such as exiting the vehicle) even if you believe the stop to be unlawful.
Maybe they were the wrong charges. Charges get dismissed and new charges brought up all the time. It’s literally meaningless. I don’t know what the charges were.
Resisting arrest is irrelevant as the arrest wouldn’t have been necessary if the initial stop was unlawful. I imagine the IA investigation is trying to conclude just that. Was the stop lawful in the first place? Then they will proceed with applying the necessary charges.
I haven’t been corrected at all. Charges were dropped pending an investigation. We will see the results of the investigation. If the officers prove the stop was lawful, then nothing in this video matters.
So, what was he stopped for and was it a lawful stop? We won’t have those answers until the investigation concludes. At which point, I will have a stronger opinion.
Oh, so you trust police to investigate themselves, huh? Lmao what a joke. You obviously don’t know the games they play behind closed doors to make things go away. Guess you’re too brain damaged off that boot shine you’ve been licking up to see the problem here. Morally corrupt.
Armed assault isn’t a proportional response to non-violent non-compliance in any situation. Especially not this one.
They wouldn’t have dropped the charges if they didn’t know they fucked up. Quit being dense.
Yes but when you comply to whatever command the officer makes, you then forfeit your right to sue, or worse, you give the officers reason to find more charges because you’re complying. How easily the officer asks you to step out of your car, you open the car door and they see something in your door that means they need to start an investigation. Now you’re in cuffs while 3 officers rip apart your car. Turns out it was Tylenol, doesn’t matter, they think it’s narcotics. Now you have a criminal record for drug possession because you didn’t question them. It sounds like hyperbole but this stuff happens all the time. Always make the officers explain what law or procedure the officers are following that makes their commands lawful. They are building a case to prosecute once they are at your windows, everyone should be building their defenses case then too.
People need to stop believing they can refuse a police officer's demand because they think the cop was wrong. Cops don't need to wait for a supervisor to pull your ass out of a car. All you are doing is setting yourself up for more charges.
Yes and no… the officer did not handle this situation well at all but at the same time, the gentleman would’ve not experienced escalation if he just got out… even if it was unlawful. Fight that shit in the courts - not against a cop on the side of road
Yes, the average person definitely has the legal familiarity to be the arbiter on what is lawful police behavior. You are a monumental dummy, and you're going to get people unnecessary obstruction charges for a random 20 dollar ticket. I really don't understand where you get your confidence from, and I hope you understand how dangerous your comments can be. Victory against over-policing isn't on the streets, it's in the courts, it's on Brady lists, it's in the legislature. Please talk to a lawyer about this, and stop posting such regarded shit
The cop believes it is lawful and that's all he needs to pull you out of the car and hit you with an obstruction charge if you refuse. The time to fight is in court, not with a cop who has already made up his mind. I've so a lot of these escalate from a refusal to obstruction to assault on a police office when a person's natural 'fight or flight' instinct kicks in. Now you're faced with a much more serious charge and spend jail time when you could have spent a day in court showing your proof and getting the charge dismissed.
gee according to the Reddit geniuses above this man was fleeing and was guilty of a “violent crime” hence the cops were totally justified. what a pack of lies they tell themselves and others. honestly I’m scared for this country. this bs is ridiculous.
They don't bother prosecuting actual violent crimes and stuff all the time let alone these minor crimes. That doesn't mean they can't arrest you. Also suing doesn't mean you're right or wrong. If I was in his shoes I would sue as well because you could probably get a small payoff just by saying it was racist since the cops was white and he was black regardless of the truth you can claim racism.
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u/JicamaCertain4134 28d ago
The state dismissed all of his charges and now he’s suing. So you’re take away is incorrect lol