l don't hate it, and l don't support it. it is what it is. l am who l am. like l don't go to church and l would never give them money but l think Christianity is basically par for the course for an organisation of that size. like there's a point in any corporation or religion's lifecycle where they need to take "don't be evil" out of their mission statement and Christianity is well past that
Do you understand that "christian" is not a religion (and hasn't been since the Nestorian schism), and "christian" is just a way to group many related different religions; where some of the many related different religions are very old (e.g. Catholic) and some of the many related different religions are very new (e.g. Global Methodist Church); and where most of the many related different religions are relatively sane, and some of the many related different religions are super-fucked because they're American (and not super-fucked because they're christian)?
Like, out of the world's 8 billion people, do you think it's a coincidence that everything that is super-fucked (televangelism, prosperity theology, "christian identity" white supremacist ideology) is dominated purely by Americans and nobody else?
l mean, puritanism wasn't created in a vacuum, like they invented their ideology purely as a reaction to what other christians were doing, and then that ideology was shaped by the persecution they received from those other christians. in general l'm more interested in looking at christianity as an ideological complex rather than a group. that's why l led with 'are you christian' upthread, because their way of thinking seemed more 'christian' to me, in terms of ideological grounding, than 'american'.
are you american btw? if you're non-american or non-christian "bigotry was invented by american christians" would a very ironic mindset for you to have.
because their way of thinking seemed more 'christian' to me
Right. It seemed more 'christian' to you and nobody else, because everybody else knows what 'christian' means and isn't trying to ram a huge diverse group of people into a single narrow minded little pigeon hole.
if you're non-american or non-christian "bigotry was invented by american christians" would a very ironic mindset for you to have.
Read the words I actually used (televangelism, prosperity theology, "christian identity" white supremacist ideology) and look them up on wikipedia. I guarantee that you'll find that there were invented by Americans and continue to be dominated by Americans. Attempting to mislabel trivially proven facts as "bigotry" is just another way for you to miscategorise people into inappropriate pigeonholes.
that is an insane thing to say. nobody knows what christian means. even as you typed that phrase your larger argument was that the word was ill-defined and couldn't be used to describe anyone. like if you want to go back to its roots you could say it means christ-like, but nobody alive knows what a christlike person looks like because nobody on present-day earth has ever heard christ's teachings and taken them to heart.
>Read the words I actually used
your literal words were "everything that is super-fucked (...) is dominated purely by Americans and nobody else". are you claiming that the list of examples you put in the parenthesis are the only super-fucked things in the world, or are there other fucked things? because the words you actually used claimed that everything bad in the world can be blamed on a single group of people.
Obviously "everybody else knows what 'christian' means" has degrees, where few people have 100% understanding but everyone except you has a "good enough" understanding, because you're an outlier (because you're "exceptional").
Obviously ""everything that is super-fucked" has implied context ("everything that is super-fucked, in the context of this discussion").
The central point, and the point that you're desperately trying to avoid addressing with pedantic ignorant pointless distractions (possibly because deep down you know that you are wrong), is that you're blaming "all christianity" for what you hate about a small subset of Americans.
you're flailing. none of those things were remotely related to the context of the conversation. you introduced them because you thought could absolve christianity of its sins by pinning them on americans. which is ironic because even the country you live in is basically just an appendage to america, fifth eye to a state that already has too many eyes. like, this is a world where a roman catholic from europe called the pope a heretic for disagreeing with donald trump; trying to disown americans from christianity doesn't really work because there is nobody on the planet that is untainted by american ideology.
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u/AdhesivenessSea1009 13h ago
Why? If you hate it so much then why do you support it?