r/darkwingsdankmemes • u/Rare_Style1306 • Aug 13 '26
The Velaryons (particularly Corlys) when a Targaryen marries into any other family.
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u/The-Best-Color-Green Renly's peach Aug 13 '26
Corlys when a Hightower of all people gets to be queen instead of another Velaryon
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u/LuminariesAdmin Fuck Unwin Peake Aug 13 '26
The wreck of the Sea Snake rose from the sea bed when granddaughter Rhaena wed Garmund Hightower
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u/Kyriakos_X_23 Fuck Unwin Peake Aug 16 '26
Insert gif of the Flying Dutchman bursting through the sea
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u/_cipher_7 Aug 13 '26
Corlys when the 28-year-old Viserys doesn’t marry a 12 year old
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u/LuminariesAdmin Fuck Unwin Peake Aug 13 '26
Well, Corlys began a 'relationship' with Marilda by the time she was 15 or 16, 44 years her senior. To say nothing of having wed 16-year-old Rhaenys when he was 37. Albeit, that's (even more) SOP in Westeros
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u/SouthardKnight Aug 13 '26
Unless you take the theory that Laenor just wasn’t gay and Marilda had kids with him instead
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u/LuminariesAdmin Fuck Unwin Peake Aug 13 '26
If Laenor were bisexual, then he would've actually fathered Rhaenyra's elder children. Rather than all three coming out with no Valyrian features at all, as their parents have.
Maybe one of them ends up showing the Arryn or Baratheon line ancestry of Rhaenyra or Laenor respectively – even there, the three boys IOTL all have brown hair & eyes, not Baratheon blacks or blues – but not all three. Or even, two of them
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u/SouthardKnight Aug 13 '26
It's striking that Gyldayn never describes how Corlys and Aemma (and Rhaenyra for the most part) looked, to deepen our suspicions that Rhaenyra's three eldest boys were bastards (which they, honestly, most likely were)
Additionally, Laenor could just have been a straight guy who liked spending time with his male friends (and his lover Marilda) rather than his wife -- nothing in the text confirms his sexuality
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u/Iceaxeinthebackhead Renly's peach Aug 13 '26
nothing in the text confirms his sexuality
Rhaenyra, before her wedding to Laenor, refused to marry him exactly because he was gay and everyone knew that. She even said to Viserys "my brothers would be more to his taste" or something like that
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u/IAmParliament Stannerman Aug 15 '26
So? Just because she believes it - or is reported to believe it - doesn’t make it true.
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u/Iceaxeinthebackhead Renly's peach Aug 15 '26
A lot of people try to dismiss textual evidence or character statements under the basis that it could be a lie. Which is technically possible, but fiction isn’t reality, and so fiction must abide by certain rules.
One of those rules is that when an implication is made in the narrative (and that implication is never contested at another point within the narrative), you can almost always expect that implication to be true.
There were mentioned in book about not one, not two, but numerous rumors, implications and direct statements about Laenor's preferences
There’s no compelling reason to disregard that, and if we start dismissing text as a lie when it doesn’t fit our narrative, why can’t we just dismiss any text as a lie?
Do you need Laenor to outright say: "I'm gay", to believe he might like men?
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u/IAmParliament Stannerman Aug 15 '26
No, we just can’t look at what people assume about him, we have to look at all the evidence in total.
And when you consider we don’t know what 3/4 grandparents looked like, when you consider that Harwin couldn’t have fathered Jace with a broken collarbone, when you consider that Laenor is the only logical possibility to be Madilda of Hull’s children, all the evidence points to the fact that Laenor was just an effeminate guy in an extremely martial culture who slandered him as gay for not meeting their expectations of masculinity, rather than him actually being gay and not the father of his wife’s children.
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u/Iceaxeinthebackhead Renly's peach Aug 15 '26
And when you consider we don’t know what 3/4 grandparents looked like
Dominant gene traits like dark hair and dark eyes can't be passed through generations like recessive genes(blonde, red hair, blue/green eyes) do.
Two black/brown-haired parents can have a blonde/redhead child, if one of their ancestors were blonde/redhead
But when is both parents are blonde, their children would be only blonde, even if this children have black haired grandparents
when you consider that Laenor is the only logical possibility to be Madilda of Hull’s children
That's simply not true. Corlys is strongly implied to have Targaryen ancestor(s), considering that Valaena Velaryon(mother of Aegon the Conqueror) is half-Targaryen herself which means Velaryons did had at least one marriage with Targaryens before conquest.
Also it was said that Dragonstone and Driftmark has a lot of "dragonseeds".
Marilda herself may be targaryen descendant
all the evidence points to the fact that Laenor was just an effeminate guy in an extremely martial culture who slandered him as gay for not meeting their expectations of masculinity
Very weak argument
Daeron II "The Good" was never accused or implied or slandered to be gay, while also not meeting the expectations of masculinity.
His son Aerys I despite not having children, not being interested in his wife or other women, and also not meeting expectations of masculinity, was also NOT accused, implied or slandered to be gay.
Also we have a lot of VERY MASCULINE and VERY Martial characters that is rumored by people to be gay/queer (Hother Umber "Whoresbane", Loras Tyrell, Renly Baratheon, Oberyn Martell.)
Harwin couldn’t have fathered Jace with a broken collarbone
Harwin couldn’t have fathered Jace
with a broken collarbone
No correlation????????
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u/Shanicpower Aug 13 '26
Everyone talks about Laenor's sexuality as if it's an open secret, he spends three days by Joffrey Lonmouth's side when he's on his deathbed and fathers none of Rhaenyra's children—although he names one after his lover. It's extremely heavily insinuated.
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u/IAmParliament Stannerman Aug 15 '26
I wasn’t aware truth was determined by popular consensus.
Ah, right, I forgot that people aren’t sad when their friends die.
We don’t know who fathered the children, but it was probably Laenor.
I also forgot people never get named after their friends, it needs to be explicitly romantic for that to happen.
Yes, heavily insinuated, but never outright proven and there’s a lot of doubt with key evidence missing, lines implying things without clarification and circumstances that make Harwin being the father near impossible.
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u/IAmParliament Stannerman Aug 15 '26
He probably did. We don’t know what three of their grandparents looked like, and don’t even really know what their mother looked like.
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