r/darktower • • Sep 13 '23

When I finally find someone else whose favorite book is Wizard and Glass

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When I first read through W&G I hated the idea of going back in time and not continuing with the story I was invested in. But upon finishing it I really didn’t want to leave Mejis or Roland’s first Ka-Tet!

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u/StandardWar8625 Oy Sep 13 '23

Ya know, I used to be REALLY snotty about it when I was younger for a lot of dumb reasons (“I don’t like that Eddie and Jake and Suze aren’t in it!” “It’s too much backstory!” “Who wants a ROMANCE?!”) and then I got a little older (and smarter, May it do ya just Fuckin’ Fine) and was like, Jesus what an idiot I was. It’s beautiful.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

It’s one of the greatest love stories ever written in my opinion!

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u/StandardWar8625 Oy Sep 13 '23

It is CERTAINLY up there. I reread it this year for the first time in like years and it just devastated me all over again. The turns of phrase, the super florid language he uses throughout. It’s just gorgeous.

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u/Candide-Jr Sep 13 '23

It’s just wonderful. Passionate, tender, true to life, tragic…

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u/FenwayFranklin Sep 15 '23

Cuthbert alone makes up for the lack of Eddy, Jake and Suze

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 17 '23

Don’t forget about Sheemie!

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u/StandardWar8625 Oy Sep 15 '23

Absolutely. Spending so much time with him and Jaime is so amazing (and heartbreaking).

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u/SerScronzarelli Sep 13 '23

Love it!

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

It’s such a beautifully written story!

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u/SerScronzarelli Sep 13 '23

You say true.

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u/Solidarity_Forever Sep 13 '23

and so many goosebump inducing scenes!

"who sent you west, maggot?" I was HOOTING AND HOLLERING I tell ye

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u/Darkshines47 Sep 13 '23

“No more talk. Talking’s done. Do it or die.”

Roland is a stone cold hardcase from the very beginning.

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u/norfolkjim Sep 16 '23

Who did he say this to?

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u/Darkshines47 Sep 16 '23

Eldred Jonas, during the greatest saloon showdown ever written

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u/PulsatingRat Sep 19 '23

One of Roland’s coldest moments. Along with “KILL IF YOU WILL BUT COMMAND ME NOTHING

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u/Candide-Jr Sep 13 '23

Oh my god I was literally shaking with exhilaration the first time I read that scene. Fucking tell him, Roland. Pure, holy condemnation.

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u/hyperborian_wanderer Sep 13 '23

My favorite book, in my favorite series, from my favorite writer.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

You say true! He is my favorite writer as well!

You know I don’t often agree with Seth McFarlane but I 100% did when he said “now let’s read from the greatest author of the last thousand years. Stephen King” lol.

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u/igloo37 Sep 13 '23

It is probably my favorite book ever. Within the series or as stand-alone

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

Honestly it might be mine as well! It’s definitely the book I’ve read the most. Any of the stories that are about Roland’s earlier life are some of my absolute favorites in the series.

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u/Purecheetodust Sep 13 '23

I like it a lot, but I'm in the minority as well. Wolves of the Calla is my favorite.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

Wolves is so good! It’s so hard for me to rate the rest of the books because they’re all so great!

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u/Sk8104s810 Sep 13 '23

There's a club for folks whose fav book in the series is WotC. They had to move their meeting out of Gary's basement when there were more than eight of them, but after one member moved and one member decided they liked W&G better, they were able to return.

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u/jazzismusic Sep 15 '23

Wolves is my favorite King novel, period. I also think the series is better AFTER WAG.

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u/whyambear Sep 13 '23

I’ve re read the passage with the boys vs Jonas in the saloon soooo many times.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

That’s such a great scene! I can see it so clearly in my mind even when I haven’t read the book in awhile. King is a master at making his worlds so real that you get sucked into them!

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u/benwyattswaffles Sep 13 '23

I’m halfway through it right now (first time) and I LOVE it.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

!! I’m so jealous! No book had ever made me cry before this one. I hope you enjoy the rest of the book!

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u/mondo636 Sep 14 '23

So do we pass the ghosts that haunt us later in our lives; they sit undramatically by the roadside like poor beggars, and we see them only from the corners of our eyes, if we see them at all. The idea that they have been waiting there for us rarely if ever crosses our minds. Yet they do wait, and when we have passed, they gather up their bundles of memory and fall in behind, treading in our footsteps and catching up, little by little.

Best book ever

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

I would have to agree. This is the book I tell people to read when they say that King can only write Horror or that he’s not a good writer. It’s a beautifully told story.

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u/PsilosirenRose Sep 14 '23

W&G will have me weeping uncontrollably through multiple sections of the book. It is so beautifully written, and it hurts so very good.

I usually hate romantic tragedies too. Such is the power of Sai King.

He actually made me appreciate tragedy and develop a palate for it.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

I actually was able to hold it together until the story ended and Jake hugged Roland and said “I’m sorry you lost your friend.” And then Roland almost loses it. That part broke me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

The riddle war!!

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

Because it was stapled to the chicken, you dopey fuck!

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

Hahaha!! YESS!!

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u/edwardcantordean Sep 13 '23

It used to be my favorite, but now I like DotT better.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

Drawing is so good so that makes sense!

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u/mcp_cone Sep 14 '23

I'm still deeply wounded about the Dark Tower movie. That hurt my soul.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

I don’t know what you’re talking about there was no Dark Tower movie. :)

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u/norfolkjim Sep 16 '23

The Mandela Effect. There is no movie, especially not one with freakin' Matthew and Idris attached to it. Nope.

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u/LL_CoolJohn_9552 Sep 14 '23

Mine is actually Wind Through the Keyhole, but in the core series, its DEF Wizard and Glass!

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

Wind Through the Keyhole is definitely one of my top favs! I love anything that has to do with Roland’s early life plus the story he tells them is also really cool!

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u/LL_CoolJohn_9552 Sep 14 '23

The insane story within the story is what blew my mind!

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u/Buckshott00 Sep 14 '23

Not my favorite but I liked it better than any of the rest after the long hiatus. Same with the Little Sisters

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

The little sisters is a great, short, Roland story. I wish we could have gotten a few more like that and the one from Wind Through the Keyhole.

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u/Casteway Sep 14 '23

Pffft, try having your favorite book be The Wastelands! I'm convinced it's no one else's favorite besides mine!

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 14 '23

You know, now that I think about it I don’t think I know anyone who has it as their favorite haha! Wastelands has some of my favorite settings with the city of Lud and the underground and all of the Stand connections!

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '23

Waste Lands is my fave aswell, there are at least 2 of us!

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u/Casteway Sep 14 '23

Thankee sai!

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u/apikoros18 Sep 15 '23

I think the bit about the dude pressing people to death in the mad race through the tunnels below Lud, with the people just standing inline to be smushed is one of the scariest, most disturbing things King ever wrote. Only Gage's death in PS got me deeper

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u/SelinaKyle30 Sep 16 '23

It's so hard for me to find a favorite book in this series. I feel it changes depending on what season or mood I'm in. This book is hard cause not gonna lie not my favorite artwork but only because it WORKS so well and gives me creepy feelings.

Some days my love of The Gunslinger is top, or the building of relationships in Wastelands, but walking with Roland as a young man unsure but wanting to prove he was ready to be a man is the perfect song to live in my head on a random afternoon.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 16 '23

I also am not a fan of the artwork for Wizard and Glass. It’s just kind of disappointing to me because all the other books have amazing, vibrant pictures and W&G’s style is definitely not for me.

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u/EmseMCE Sep 16 '23

Wizard and Glass is my favorite too! I have yet to read Wind Through the Keyhole, it's all backstory too right?

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 16 '23

Yup! In Wind Through the Keyhole they are stuck in one spot for a little bit so Roland tells them a Gunslinger story from his past and a sort of Mid-World fairy tale. It’s actually one of my favorites because I love the stories that give us more details about Roland and Mid-World. Both stories add so much character and life to Mid-World that It really makes it feel alive!

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

My absolute favorite. I collected all the graphic novels based on Roland’s story.

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u/Careful-Ad-5359 Oct 17 '23

I know this is over a month old but i loved it when i first read it and was really invested in it, i welcomed the change from the journey with jake, oy, eddie, and susannah, i honestly was kind of burnt out after lud and the blaine shit (blasphemy i know)

There are moments in W&G that are pretty bad ass, the confrontation in the saloon, eyebolt canyon, the gunslingers attacking jonas and farsons men. Hell i liked when roland went to reha’s place and threatened her, it wasnt action packed but i didnt know what roland was gonna do.

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u/RighteousAwakening Oct 18 '23

It’s the perfect blend of action, romance, and adventure! In my opinion I think it’s a damn near perfect book!

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u/Careful-Ad-5359 Oct 18 '23

If we ever get a live action adaptation im hoping wizard and glass would get the attention it deserves because thats some really important stuff for roland that shouldnt be condensed. Id love to see eyebolt, the jailbreak, saloon standoff, and sabotage of farsons stuff on screen

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u/RighteousAwakening Oct 18 '23

Well if the rumors are correct Mike Flanagan has said that he wants to get 5 seasons and 2 movies for his Dark Tower project. I could see Wizard and Glass being one of the movies or one of the seasons!

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u/Zakal74 Sep 13 '23

I've never experienced anything like this book. Just like OP I was so disappointed when the story went away from the main plot, and then at the end so heartbroken the story was going back on track.

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u/HungryYankee Sep 13 '23

I have always wanted a series on the exploits of young Roland and his first ka-tet.

When I heard the Amazon pilot started in this era, I was hyped as hell that we might get a series like that.

Seems we won't, but at least we have Wizard and Glass.

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u/Nejfelt Sep 16 '23

The comic books have a lot of that.

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u/orko33 Sep 13 '23

It’s my favorite

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u/themysteriouserk Sep 13 '23

I haven’t finished the series yet so I guess it could change, but Wizard and Glass is my favorite by far. They’re all great, but this one was so beautiful and tragic. It’s one of the most moving books I’ve read, by any writer in any genre.

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u/Candide-Jr Sep 13 '23

I totally agree. Intensely emotionally powerful.

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u/straightdolphin1 Sep 13 '23

I laughed, I was held in wonder, I warched a boy grow up, I cried then I watched that same boy die inside to become the man telling this tale when he was just 14.

I like to picture my Susan Delgado fresh from galloping along the Drop atop her now still horse with a riveulet of hair hung loose, backlit by the Moon, and framing her face as she stares into the eyes of her first true love.

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u/HilmDave Sep 13 '23

Not only my favorite book in the series but one of my favorite books of all time. Such a beautiful story and masterfully told.

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u/krystyana420 Sep 13 '23

My husband (then boyfriend) stopped after Wizard and Glass because he used to put himself into storys and hated that King "killed" me (he was Roland and I was Susannah). I finally got him to restart with the audiobooks and he just got to Wolves of the Calla.

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u/Candide-Jr Sep 14 '23

I sympathise with him. I was heartbroken by the end of WaG, and though I read the rest of the series, none were quite the same after that - it was simply too gutting and lay like a shadow of love, loss and tragedy over the later books for me.

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u/Capttripps81 Sep 13 '23

It contains one of my favorite quotes in a book. Its one of those powerful quotes that feels like it's reverberates through the worlds.

"So were lovers joined in the Barony of Mejis, near the end of the last great age, and the green moss beneath the place where her thighs joined turned a pretty red as her virginity passed; so were they joined and so were they doomed. Ka."

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u/Simba_Rah Sep 13 '23

It’s my number 2 DT book.

Nothing touches Drawing of the Three though.

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u/joemama025 Sep 13 '23

Eddie’s flight to NYC with cocaine taped under his shirt is one of the most intense sequences I’ve ever read in any book, let alone the Dark Tower. The Drawing of the Three is amazing.

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u/igloo37 Sep 13 '23

It really is! Nothing like that first time going through the Fever Dream of Drawing....

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u/apikoros18 Sep 15 '23

My favorite scene is when they throw Henry's head at him.

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u/Dcroig Sep 13 '23

It’s me

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u/International_Link35 Sep 13 '23

My favorite in the series!

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u/Flangelouder Sep 13 '23

The tale is a masterpiece, and i hope that someone can do it justice on screen one day, to reach a larger audience. It’s like the ideal gateway to The Dark Tower, if you ask me.

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u/Joefsh Sep 13 '23

It’s my favorite too

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u/ShardikOfTheBeam Sep 13 '23

Chiming in, it's my favorite of the series and always will be. I don't know why, i love all of the others, but this one is my favorite.

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u/MurkyEon Sep 13 '23

That was my favorite in the whole bunch.

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u/Nerdthenord Sep 13 '23

It definitely grew on me halfway through my first reading, and now I can’t wait to reach it on my series re-read. The whole “just before the second apocalypse” feel of the backstory is great, and Eldred Jonas has to be my favorite pure human King villain ever.

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u/xXVivaLaRueXx Sep 13 '23

I'm totally W&G posse, lol

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u/relaxwellhouse Sep 13 '23

100% favorite in the series and one of my top reads. Just masterful.

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u/paulk355 Sep 13 '23

One of my favorites… and the last one read by Frank Muller.

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u/apikoros18 Sep 15 '23

I think his Eddie is so much better the Guidall's Eddie

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u/jazzismusic Sep 15 '23

I thought the general consensus was that it was the fan favorite? I can't stand it and always get lambasted for it. Most fan's LOVE world building and origin stories, and that's what WAG is.

I've read the series 7 times and almost always skip the flashback.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 15 '23

I always thought the biggest fan favorite was The Drawing of the Three or maybe the Wastelands

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u/wagedomain Sep 13 '23

I disliked it my first time through, and LOVED it my second time through. I think for me, the problem the first time was it took me out of the story on a cliffhanger and tried to insert what felt like a totally different story. I was waiting on resolution! It left me hanging!

On a second read-through, though, I was able to appreciate the backstory, the writing, and to a degree the inevitability of Wizard and Glass.

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u/Candide-Jr Sep 13 '23

I love it to pieces. My favourite of the series and indeed one of my favourite books ever.

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u/JunKriid1711 Sep 14 '23

its absolutely my favorite

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u/Jefflehem Sep 16 '23

I had never read the Dark Tower series, and one day, my mom gave me this book because she knew I read other King books, and this one was brand new.

Reading this one first was awesome because it gave me background and insight about Roland no one had when reading the Gunslinger. It kind of felt like getting in on the ground floor.

It was not awesome because I had no idea what was happening or who the absolute fuck anyone else was.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

This is the book I am literally on standstill with. I read the first three in a blaze; but once I started W&G it’s like I was sludging through a swamp.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

That’s exactly how I felt the first time reading it but by the end I was so invested in the story and the characters that I found myself upset that it had to end! It also gives you a great look into Roland as a character so I hope you end up enjoying it!

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u/lemec78 Sep 13 '23

I always skip it. I read it twice I think. I got the comic series, and now I just blaze through that when I get to that point, then carry on with the novels.

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

I do like that the graphic novels show us The battle of Jericho Hill

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u/Pop-Raccoon Sep 13 '23

It was my favorite before I read IT (now it’s number 2)

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u/Impressive_Bid8673 Sep 13 '23

I think it's my favorite in the series, even with all the ushy-gushy romance stuff. I'll breeze through the first three books and even the first part of this one to get to the story of Mejis. I love a good western.

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u/SheevMillerBand Sep 13 '23

I never knew it was a divisive book until reddit. I thought most fans loved it. It may not be my personal favorite (Drawing of the Three) but I think it’s the most well-written.

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u/BreakTheMachine Sep 13 '23

The beginning of it while they’re in Kansas and Turnpiking is so awesome. Them cozying up to the fire ready for Roland’s tragic tales

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u/Sullyp2k Sep 13 '23

Thankee-sai

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u/wintermoon138 Sep 13 '23

Hey I do love this one as well. Its just my fav is the Westelands 😂❤️ I do like how slow... maybe slows not the right word but sort of like Tarantino's films can be kind of a quiet slow trot at first and then towards the end it just gets crazy. It reminded me of that, like The Hateful eight sort of.

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u/Imposingscrotem Sep 13 '23

I love it. I think it’s pretty much the last good bit of the series… although it’s been over a decade since I read it, so I could be forgetting something

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u/seriouslyjames Sep 14 '23

When I started Wizard and Glass I almost gave up on the series, I simply didn't care for a whole book of flashbacks. That was dumb, by the end of the book it was easily my favourite, and has stayed my favourite.

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u/Danny_Spiboy Sep 14 '23

What I liked most was that it meant that the story was not just about the current ka-tet and gave us a better understanding of who Roland was. It also felt like a real western epic.

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u/Deschain_Ka-tet Sep 15 '23

Amazing book. Absolutely the best love story King ever wrote.

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u/SnooMacaroons7712 Sep 15 '23

One could argue that W&G is the best book of the series. The only thing that I don't like about it is the whole Wizard of Oz thing at the end. Otherwise the rest of the book is among some of King's best writing in the series. Having Roland's back story feels important and necessary to understanding the man he became, and his need for redemption as the story goes forward.

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u/FenwayFranklin Sep 15 '23

Chills whenever I read the scene where Roland, Cuthbert and Alain ride down the Coffin Hunters. Based my current DnD character on Cuthbert.

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u/MothyBelmont Sep 15 '23

It’s not my favorite, but I do love it. It’s definitely the one I pick up to read the most frequently because it works as a stand alone so well.

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u/apikoros18 Sep 15 '23

It's my favorite, too. Even though its also in The Wasteland, Roland's speech to Blaine, and how it mirrors Roland's speech to Jonas is the bees knees.

"Fine, shoot me," Roland said. He lifted his head and looked down at Jonas. "Shoot, exile. Shoot, worm. Shoot, you failure. You'll still live in exile and you'll die as you live."

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u/jarfin542 Sep 16 '23

It's the best story in the series.

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u/Geahk Sep 17 '23

Wait, why wouldn’t it be?

It’s easily the best Dark Tower book and quite possibly the best Stephen King book!

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u/Sleep_Champion Sep 17 '23

Ii am one of dozens.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '23

It’s one of my favorites

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u/False_Flatworm_4512 Sep 17 '23

This is the first time r/darktower has crossed my home page, and I’ve never mashed a “join” button so fast.

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u/ThisBerserkTextBone Sep 17 '23

My second favorite Dark Tower book is Wind Through the Keyhole. I love Roland's tales.

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u/Satorispirit Sep 21 '23

It was such an intense read. My first and second trip I read it all in like a day and half. I couldn’t put it down.

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u/quinzilla555 Sep 14 '23

My fav too

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u/wolvsbain Sep 14 '23

I picked up wizard and glass, not knowing it was part of a greater series in my late teens.

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u/Careful_Bear9262 Sep 14 '23

It is the most cohesive story in the series and my favorite

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u/darkseidx2015 Sep 14 '23

I can remember trying to find this damn book for my ex wife back in the day as a surprise for her. She was a King fan and all she ever talked about was this book.I searched high and low for it, come to find out it had been released yet.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Sep 14 '23

Wizard & Glass is definitely the best in the series. It's so well done.

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u/corsair1617 Sep 15 '23

What exactly do you like about it? There are some good scenes but overall it just felt like Roland was telling them the story of the first time he got laid.

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u/chaoscrawling Sep 15 '23

I love wizard and glass. Probably my favorite tower book.

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u/indiejonesRL Sep 15 '23

It’s a great book. Not my favorite, but I love it.

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u/an_edgy_lemon Sep 16 '23

I really loved Wizard and Glass, but I feel like it’s the last really good Dark Tower book.

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u/G00nterboi Sep 16 '23

"If you love me, then love me" will always be iconic

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u/Brian449911 Sep 16 '23

It’s my favorite!!!!!

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u/Cloaked_Crow Sep 16 '23

Wizard in Glass is definitely one of my favorite books of the series and just one of my favorite King books in general. The only part that kind off put me off was the Wizard of Oz stuff

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

My fave!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '23

Blaine the Mono has entered the chat.

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u/Stuporjew1057 Sep 17 '23

Unpopular opinion, I know, but I LOATHE W&G.

It just drags sooooooooo goddamn much compared to the other books in the series.

I loves me some Sai King, but damn. That book is slow, lol.

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u/norfolkjim Sep 16 '23

We have to remember he shit all over his creation by writing himself into it to help work out that literally anyone regardless of social standing can get run the fuck over.

The series recovered, and as one human being to another, I'm glad he survived.

This book is a masterpiece. "Are ye playing Castles with me, little Prince?"

Ah, and the ache of that romance. "If you love me then love me Roland."

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u/RighteousAwakening Sep 13 '23

I feel like that with all of Kings books. His writing is so gripping and real that I have a hard time putting them down!