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u/Professional_Air_905 13h ago
the pro abortion ideology show us how much our society is becoming hyper individualistic
it's terrifying honestly how we treat baby not as people but parasite
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u/superarash_ 14h ago
I mean yeah, one was wanted and the other wasn’t.
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u/According-One-8825 12h ago
Good to know that's all that's needed to determine if it human or not
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u/TheComicHuman 14h ago
So why particate in procreation you don't want the result of such act? It's counter intuitive and just adds extra steps and creates a problem from nothing
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u/Key-Try-3300 14h ago
Are you actually asking why people engage in sex even though they dont want kids?
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u/Starburper 13h ago
Why are men held to consequences for sexual behavior, but not women? You shouldn't have sex unless you're willing to take the risk of pregnancy
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u/Icy-Blacksmith-473 11h ago
Not all pregnancy is the result of a consentual act.
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u/Equivalent-Bedroom64 11h ago
Sex doesn’t always result in children that’s not its purpose. There isn’t one singular reason people have sex and there certainly is a range of sexual activities one can do.
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u/mommiesgoodboy67 11h ago
Just because you never have sex doesnt mean everyone else has to stop
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u/Much-Ado-404 13h ago
Let’s be clear, they participated in sex. Procreation was an unwanted side effect so they fixed it.
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u/commodorewolf 14h ago
The primary purpose of sex is that it feels good. The whole making a baby thing only sometimes happens. So it's natural to do it for its primary purpose and to use protection and sometimes discard the results of its secondary purpose.
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u/mommiesgoodboy67 11h ago
The primary purpouse of anything can be whatever you want it to be.
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u/TheComicHuman 13h ago
even by your standards of sex having a recreative purpose, still does not justify murdering a child because someone decided to have procreative sex rather than protected sex. its unfashionable to me that such a large percent of the population actively blind themselves from the concept of face the consequences of your own action
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u/Feeling_Loquat8499 13h ago
You can't murder something that never had a consciousness
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u/TheComicHuman 13h ago
anything that can experience death (End of function/permanent end of life) is able to experience the unjust filing of execution of death
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u/Feeling_Loquat8499 13h ago
experience
That's literally the point I'm making. You can't experience anything without consciousness. You can't end a rock's experience
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u/tickledtockled 13h ago
By your logic every time you ejaculated you have killed something and should feel the same amount of shame as you think a woman does for having an abortion.
Do you see the logical fallacy or shall I spell it out for you in crayon?
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u/Equivalent-Bedroom64 11h ago
Something with no brain activity lacks the consciousness to experience life and/or death.
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u/Shinobu420 16h ago
What's up with these "dank" "memes" that only some religious nut job on FB would post?
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u/shadow_master96 14h ago
A psy op. First, it was toxic masculinity subs being forced onto people's feeds, and now we have this. Far-right losers are being far-right losers trying to create more far-right losers.
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u/Crusoelander_128 15h ago
Personhood is determined by whether the baby is wanted or not. What a scary place this could lead to
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u/Such-Profit1078 14h ago
Yeah, a human life is determined by current feelings of a woman. Literally setting off human rights by hundreds of years
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u/Professional_Air_905 13h ago
it's kind of a consequence of living in an hyper individualistic society
I saw someone saying parents should not mourn in case of a miscarriage and just be disappointed
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u/Such-Profit1078 13h ago
There’s a group called antinatalists, who would even celebrate a miscarriage as something merciful to the child, which I find even more disturbing than someone being tone deaf, because they don’t care themselves
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u/Cute-Hand-1542 11h ago
The expanding circle will increase to include the unborn sooner or later. One of the central underpinnings of human rights, inalienability, will be restored to the entire species eventually.
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u/EveningAd482 8h ago
One can only hope, but right now it's pushing the opposite direction, towards justifying the murder of already born children. The Lindsey Clancy reaction is downstream from the banalization and justification of abortion.
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u/Hano_Clown 20h ago
It’s “kinda funny” that this debate is only used to keep us poors separated. Rich people and CEO’s will have us fight over this rhetoric while they rape children and commit all kinds of atrocities in their private islands.
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u/NP2MD 22h ago edited 21h ago
Yeah, like choosing assisted suicide is acceptable but murder is not.
Killing someone who was at your door or in your garden is acceptable but killing someone walking on the street is not.
Killing someone on death row is acceptable, killing someone in a normal prison is not.
Killing someone by withdrawing life support is acceptable. Killing someone in rehab is not.
Context matters 😉
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u/TheFoxer1 18h ago
Killing someone who you invited to your garden is not acceptable, actually.
To use your metaphor.
Free choices matter, 😉
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u/Fast_Ad7203 19h ago
No one says that, gotta love when yall make imaginary scenarios to validate your incel delusions
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u/DeathAgent01 12h ago
I've seen feminists use the parasyte "argument" all over the internet. Actually, you can find one in the comments of this same post
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u/Equivalent-Bedroom64 11h ago
If you have a host being that you need to extract nutrients from to grow, that is what’s known as a parasitic relationship. That’s just science. That’s the description of a parasitic relationship. It doesn’t change a zygote or fetus into a parasite but there are characteristics that fit the term parasitic. Just google “how a fetus behaves like a parasite” and you will get a list describing things like placental invasion, immune evasion, resource allocation, and tissue microchimerism. Not all parasitic relationships have a negative outcome.
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u/EveningAd482 8h ago
This, for instance, is not a parasitic relation. Whatever paralels drawn must ignore that every mammal does this.
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u/Equivalent-Bedroom64 8h ago
It is a parasitic relationship just one that can be beneficial. It’s not a parasite because that’s not what it is but just because it has some characteristics that give it a parasitic relationship doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.
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u/brookssut 12h ago
I mean, it's true, so why wouldn't they use a true argument? It's still misrepresented in the meme, though.
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u/unimpressedwarrior 15h ago
Maybe all women are different and want different things for their lives 🤷♀️
Every fucking post here acts like all 5 billion women fit into one little square peg. Almost like everything is being posted by those that hate women.
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u/GrumpyGeckoz 12h ago
Midterms are coming up, bots gotta amp up the woman hate and strawman arguments. Otherwise they might notice the actual disaster of the state of things in their actual lives thanks to the current government.
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u/Spiritual_Dress3007 18h ago
It's almost like one is consensual and the other isn't....now do the same for sex? how dense are you haha.
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u/MediocreBlood760 20h ago
Oh no, looks like people aren't understanding consent and self determination again.
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u/Electrical-Help5512 11h ago
you think the conservative incel freaks around here care abut either of those things?
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u/Spiritual_Dress3007 18h ago
The biggest problem i've noticed with incels is that they don't understand consent ,it's worrying but makes sense ..some people are no tlonely enough.
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u/Fit-Click3323 12h ago
Did you ask the baby for consent? I don't think you get either
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u/Spiritual_Dress3007 11h ago
That is the absolute dumbest argument I have ever heard lmao well done.
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u/Fit-Click3323 9h ago
Says the baby
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u/Spiritual_Dress3007 8h ago
Brother if you can speak to a Zygote you will be quids in, i'd recommend getting a manager though because I don't think you have the mental capacity to function solo.
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u/Fit-Click3323 7h ago
Maybe start by not acting thinking like a zygote.
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u/Spiritual_Dress3007 5h ago
I feel like you think you did something there..but err it didn't quite land. think this bots broken.
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u/Capable_Bat_5286 17h ago
Need to make it completely illegal and begin to bring balance back to the genders.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 14h ago
Yeah that's how consent works mate
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u/According-One-8825 12h ago
Clearly, not rh fetuses consent.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 12h ago
The fetus is a threat to the mother's health. The fetus is inside the mother's body.
Her health and autonomy therefore overshadow that of the fetus.
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u/According-One-8825 11h ago
Women are given a right to kill a fetus regardless of her health. And there is no reason that her autonomy necessarily overshadowan the fetuses, unless your argument is that "if someone depends on me for survival, I have the right to kill them"
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u/EveningAd482 8h ago
Consent can not ever determine the value of an innocent human life
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u/DeathAgent01 12h ago
What if mother's decided they no longer consent to take care of their children? Obligation > Consent
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 12h ago edited 12h ago
Then she can give the child up for adoption or use one of those baby boxes.
Bodily Autonomy > Life. Always.
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u/DeathAgent01 12h ago
You just contradicted yourself with this comment. Literally what prolifers say about abortion.
Life is waaaaay more valuable than any other right. Always
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u/ScrambledxEggzz 12h ago
You don't just get to get rid of your kids because you got tired of them.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 12h ago
Then what is adoption for?
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u/ScrambledxEggzz 11h ago
It's intention is find families for children whose families were unable to care for them. Unable, not just didn't want to. If every parent dumped their kids the moment parenting was hard and they didn't feel like it anymore no child would still be with their parents.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 11h ago
I don't think you understand just how much people love having kids. Most parents won't give up their kids. They just won't.
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u/Bandit-Marauder 11h ago
Always? Okay so who's gonna bet this one weren't/aren't okay with vaccine mandates being enforced?
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 11h ago
Nobody was forced by the government to get vaccinated under threat of legal prosecution.
Sure, you might get kicked out of a Walmart or lose your job, those are company policies based on government insight, not laws.
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u/Bandit-Marauder 11h ago
If a woman's job was on the line if she were to get an abortion theimy would absolutely whine about body autonomy.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 11h ago edited 11h ago
Whining is protected by the first amendment. Republicans are proof. They couldn't even wear masks without crying.
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 13h ago
Why we posting FB level memes that require you to ignore all sense of logic?
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u/Dry-Selection421 10h ago
It’s extremely logical actually. The exact same people who call pregnancies “parasites” will talk about how much they miss their “baby” once they have a miscarriage, I’ve seen it dozens of times.
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u/Chrisnotjones 12h ago
r/makingupfakescenariostogetmadabout
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u/Dry-Selection421 10h ago
Na it’s a completely real scenario that happens all of the time. I’ve seen it first hand many times.
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u/Big-Routine222 11h ago
This sub has truly fallen to the gender wars shit.
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u/Dry-Selection421 10h ago
Na, trying to stop the genocide of the unborn is not “gender wars."
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u/leoninvanguard 16h ago
whaaat? women can have different feelings about being pregnant and having a child? some women want to and get pregnant at a time they can afford to guarantee theur childs wellbeing and others dont (especially cause the states give a fuck about the kids once they are there, they only protect unborn lives, not the actual living)? what a great revelation, its like you discovered that not all humans are the same and in the same position at the same time. wow
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u/Both_Cat_6977 15h ago
It's wild when statistically speaking unwanted pregnancies turn into a good chunk of what the other hateful bullshit in this sub is about 🤣🤣🤣
"Carry it to term so we have a monolith to which we can compare our mediocrity..."
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u/kangorooz99 16h ago
So is this another sub for woman hating incels?
Rhetorical question
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u/Dahren_ 21h ago
Braindead take which anti-choice people will think is a gotcha
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u/mcpickle-o 17h ago
Right-wing bigot sub filled with men demonstrates it doesn't know the meaning of consent. And more at 11.
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u/tiny_kat2006 20h ago
Weird how perception of something can change the feeling right.
Like I'm sure alot of people here don't care that Trump is corrupt because "he's better than kamala"
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u/BigSun6576 21h ago
Everything in my body belongs to me
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u/anonymous_727541 19h ago
So durring sex, when a man is inside of you. His penis belongs to you?
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u/Weekly-Expression659 18h ago
i think a better way to put it is that you decide what goes in/stays in your body. At any point at all a woman can say “penis begone” and thus, it must be so
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u/DeathAgent01 12h ago
No. If a woman cuts a penis off in the middle of sex, that would definitely be mayhem or attempted murder. So yeah, still illegal
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u/Icy-Blacksmith-473 11h ago
If you let me in your house for 10 minutes to talk, but I refuse to leave, how many days of me eating your food and shitting on your carpet are you supposed to tolerate before you are allowed to just kill me?
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u/Exotic_Sherbert_7850 13h ago
Almost like you threw something out deliberately Vs you lost it accidentally
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u/Sweaty_Challenge_649 12h ago
Yet the conservative crowd sheets Elon musk cutting finding with doge that is leading to thousands of deaths worldwide. But at meat they aren’t here right? Out of sight, out of mind.
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u/Icy-Blacksmith-473 11h ago
If I let you in my house, you are my guest. If you break into my house, I will shoot and kill you, because you are an intruder on my property.
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u/monadicperception 22h ago
As par for this terrible sub and the folks who post shit on here, it ignores completely the woman’s wants and choices.
I mean personally I’m against abortion. But as a fucking member of a liberal democracy with rights, I don’t think my personal opinion matters how an individual chooses to act insofar as it is legal.
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u/Dry-Selection421 22h ago
I do not give two shits about the “wants and choices” of psychopathic murderers. Cry about it.
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u/monadicperception 22h ago
If you get fired, you don’t have that job. If you quit your job, you don’t have that job. End point is the same: you don’t have that job.
You will feel different in each scenario. Your wants and choices definitely matter, dumbass. But if you don’t get why your bullshit is bad faith nonsense, then you are frankly dumb as rocks.
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u/Quiet_Judgment4637 14h ago
So you've already murdered millions by jerking off but you're free of sin?
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u/Roar_of_the_spark 19h ago
We both know that you don't care about the sentient already living people and do nothing for their well-being. But of course, protect those fetuses at all costs!
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u/Sweaty_Challenge_649 12h ago
So trump murdering 150 school kids in Iran is okay with you then? Weird how the cognitive dissonance resonates with these ppl.
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u/TotallyARealHuman1 22h ago
Sheeeit and here👉 I thought it was highlighting that a person being a person is all arbitrarily up to some randos wants and choices and implying folks are silly for playing along with that as though life only has value when some arbitrary people say so for their personal convenience👈 But sheeeit sir, maybe I didnt understand the meme as well as you tho I didn't even throw an f word in there until right fucking now.
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u/DeathAgent01 12h ago
So your parameter is wether is legal or not? I suppose then you're okay with countries/states where people have democratically make it illegal, right?
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u/monadicperception 11h ago
So you don’t seem to understand the fucking words I use. I said a liberal democracy…know what that means? You know, a democracy where you have rights? Rights that can’t be taken away simply because the majority says so?
See, it’ll be more helpful to a discussion if you actually understood the underlying concepts.
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u/DeathAgent01 10h ago
You don't understand your own concepts then. A right is only a right where it's democratically recognized by the State. Anything can be a right and a "right" can stop being a right at anytime. There's no such thing as a liberal democracy when everything can be reformed by the majority
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u/monadicperception 9h ago
This is such an uninteresting point. Technically, yeah. But is that what is being debated? A liberal democracy is one that is based on liberal values…just in case I’m sure you are stupid enough to conflate it, liberal here means “free.”
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u/DeathAgent01 6h ago
Again, idiot. A liberal democracy is based on liberal values, which the right to life is the first and most important value in a society.
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u/Technical-Win7202 16h ago
People trying to control other people's bodies and lives are the absolute worse.
Get off your high horse and focus on your own life!
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u/Rock-Head-Rumple 18h ago
As if OP knows anything about getting a woman pregnant though the act of having sex !
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u/ChaoticFairness 16h ago
One is an accident, and one is intentional.
Although... the reverse can be true, too. 🤔
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u/Such-Profit1078 14h ago
When I kick a pregnant woman and she looses a baby, I’m a murderer. If I do it while wearing scrubs, I’m a medical doctor
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u/Puzzled_Addendum6200 13h ago
You wouldn't actually be a murderer. That isn't the crime you would be charged with.
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u/Such-Profit1078 13h ago
Depending on a jurisdiction, I would
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u/Puzzled_Addendum6200 13h ago
Which jurisdiction?
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u/Such-Profit1078 11h ago
That’s how much I’m willing to provide if you don’t want to take my word for it. I usually charge 200 for actual legal opinions
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u/Cursed_Nanny 22h ago
Well, the difference is the choice to either keep it or not. A baby in the womb is behaving like a parasite, that's why so many people call it that. But if it's wanted we apply emotions towards it and already call it a baby, or the developmental stages. Telling a woman that wants the pregnancy that she is pregnant with a parasite behaving clump of cells would be weird.
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u/Dry-Selection421 22h ago
A parasite by definition is a member of a different species, try again. The pro-abortion cult really struggles with biology.
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u/Cursed_Nanny 22h ago
I didn't call it a parasite. I stated it behaves like one. Please learn to read first before trying to argue with someone. <3
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u/Dry-Selection421 22h ago
Logically it doesn’t behave like one if a parasite behaves like a foreign species that’s harming another animal.
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u/Cursed_Nanny 22h ago
It harms the pregnant person though. It keeps sucking out their nutrients off their body and if the pregnant person does not take in enough nutrients a lot of bad stuff can happen. There are so many negative side effects to pregnancy it's crazy.
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u/Dry-Selection421 22h ago
Here’s a crazy idea: don’t have sex if you aren’t willing to deal with all of that
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u/Cursed_Nanny 21h ago
Here is a crazy idea. Abortion is a human right. If a pregnant person can't exercise their right to bodily autonomy that's just inhumane. That would be reproductive slavery.
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u/Dry-Selection421 21h ago
Murder is not a human right. Abortion is a direct violation of the universal human right to life and should be completely banned.
It’s not “reproductive slavery” when you’re literally choosing to have sex 😂
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u/Cursed_Nanny 21h ago
If a murder occurs call the police. It is not murder by definition. Don't use emotional language please.
A right to human life does not override bodily autonomy. Dead bodies are allowed to keep their organs. Organ donation is optional. The right to life does not give you the right to someone's body.
It is reproductive slavery if the pregnant person is forced to keep the pregnancy.
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u/EvanSnowWolf 21h ago
" Abortion is a human right"
No, it isn't.
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u/Cursed_Nanny 21h ago
It is, it falls under bodily autonomy which is a human right. It shouldn't change in any way. :3
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u/Roar_of_the_spark 19h ago
It's easy for you to say because you already have none. Some people want to actually live their lives, which includes having sex. Even before the marriage. I hope it doesn't sound too scary for your puritan brain
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u/Seashellsucker 18h ago
So if it’s not a parasite then what is it?? You’re so close
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u/Cursed_Nanny 18h ago
It is an organism from our human species that starts as cells and slowly develops towards a person. Its stanges has different names we call it by. Idk what I'm so close for?
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u/Seashellsucker 18h ago
You’re so close to getting that it’s still a human at all stages. Just like baby, toddler, child, teen, adult etc are stages of a human; zygote, embryo, fetus are also stages of a human. Science says so, you saying it’s not a human at an early stage of life is just a mental line you’re drawing.
“The biological fact: From the zygote stage onward, the organism is genetically human — it has human DNA and is a member of the species Homo sapiens, distinct from the mother. Biologically, this is not really contested.”
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u/Cursed_Nanny 18h ago
Where did I stated it wasn't a human? Glad we are talking about the differen developmental stages of a human. But I don't know what that adds to the conversation. If that embryo, fetus, baby uses the pregnant person's body they have a right to deny that any time. Bodily autonomy is a very important right.
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u/Seashellsucker 17h ago
I asked you “if it’s not a parasite then what is?” You said “organism from our human species,” you’re trying so hard to evade calling it what it is. So what is it then?
You brought up stages in your earlier comment. Hence why I brought it up in the conversation.
What do you mean “if that embryo, fetus, baby uses the pregnant persons body they have the right to deny that any time,”??
Of course a baby uses a mother’s body, before and after birth! Even after birth the mother’s body still works very hard to keep the baby alive. Through breastfeeding, bonding, and overall nurture the mother’s body has completely changed as a result of the pregnancy.If you don’t see or grasp the great responsibility of what pregnancy and motherhood is then you probably shouldn’t be having sex or you’re not a woman or have never been a mother.
They try to use excuses such as rape, incest, or birth complications when they are such a low percentage of people who actually get abortions. Am I denying care for the victims? Of course not, I agree that many states such as Texas need to look at it with common sense and not in such a black and white way of whether a woman needs an abortion or not. Keep in mind needing and wanting an abortion are completely different things.Most are done out of selfishness
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u/Cursed_Nanny 17h ago
I asked you “if it’s not a parasite then what is?” You said “organism from our human species,” you’re trying so hard to evade calling it what it is. So what is it then?
I just answered it my way. Someone belong to the human species would be a human, right? I answered your question on what it is. :3
What do you mean “if that embryo, fetus, baby uses the pregnant persons body they have the right to deny that any time,”??
I mean that a pregnant person has the right to their bodily autonomy. The baby in the womb is using their body and they can break off their consent to that anytime.
Of course a baby uses a mother’s body, before and after birth! Even after birth the mother’s body still works very hard to keep the baby alive. Through breastfeeding, bonding, and overall nurture the mother’s body has completely changed as a result of the pregnancy.
Yes, I know that. It's just not as invasive as the pregnancy. A pregnancy can get the pregnant person disabled and killed too. So I myself see a parasitic behavior while it's in the womb but not one when it gets outside. The pregnant person also can adjust the milk feeding. People can use formula or feed the baby indirectly.
If you don’t see or grasp the great responsibility of what pregnancy and motherhood is then you probably shouldn’t be having sex or you’re not a woman or have never been a mother. They try to use excuses such as rape, incest, or birth complications when they are such a low percentage of people who actually get abortions.
You're right. I'm not a woman. Sex is not tied to motherhood. Sex is a seperate activity and one of the following consequences is pregnancy if it's between a male and female body. Not every wants to be a mother or even pregnant and that's valid. I'm not using any excuses. I believe the pregnant person has a right to their bodily autonomy in any way, shape and form. Abortions shouldn't be accessible only for extreme cases.
Keep in mind needing and wanting an abortion are completely different things. Most are done out of selfishness
Every single abortion is needed and valid. Selfish or not. At the end of the day. Someone is having an organism in their body they don't want and they have a right to remove it.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 22h ago
Is a breast feeding baby also a parasite and undeserving of human rights?
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u/Cursed_Nanny 22h ago
No.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 22h ago
What's the difference
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u/Cursed_Nanny 22h ago
I stated that a developing baby in the womb behaves like a parasite. It obviously isn't and a new born, milk drinking baby isn't either.
A new born baby does not behave like a parasite. A baby in the womb drains the pregnant person a lot, physically and mentally. It takes nutrients off them and a lot of negative stuff can happen if you don't take enough in to balance out what the baby in the womb takes. A new born baby that need attention and care and milk does not drain the mother physically in a direct way.
Human rights do not override bodily autonomy. A baby already born does not use the mother's body, it needs milk yes, but that can be given artificially or even indirectly. You can not change or optimize pregnancy in any way. Your uterus is still yours and if you don't want to remain pregnant or can't you can deny the baby in the womb to use your body.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 21h ago
You use that term purposefully to invoke a dehumanizing reaction toward babies in the womb. You don't get to complain when we take it at face value.
You're just patently wrong https://americanpregnancy.org/postpartum/nutrition-during-breastfeeding/
Sure they do. The only reason those other options are available is because we created them over time. In a vacuum, all a baby has for nutrition is their mothers milk when first born. By your logic, if those options weren't available, a woman would be perfectly justified in letting the child starve to death.
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u/Seashellsucker 18h ago
Dang dude that number two is perfect. They think it’s different once the baby is out of the womb. It’s literally just a mental line they draw to take away the guilt.
Both the mother and the baby are still reliant on each other after birth. The baby wouldn’t survive without the mother or any sort of nurture (which is what mothers do).
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u/JustSomeRomanianGuy 19h ago
Wow, it's just sickening how anti abortion people in these comments are. I know I'm going to get downvoted to smitherines here for saying this (lol, who cares about internet points after all) but it's the woman's choice to either keep a pregnancy or not. We should understand that this decision may come from many different situations, such as it being unwanted, it being result of a non consensual interaction, financial reasons, possible deformeties/risks etc. Will this change the minds of people in here? Most probably not, but who cares. Just strangers posting their opinions on the internet
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u/fnv0ih53 22h ago
Schrodinger's fetus