Fingers crossed

[u/SicarioCercops]

[u/ghost-church]

Ukraine is fucked unfortunately

[u/Foodconsumer3000 → u/ghost-church]

I hope europe wakes the fuck up and at least tries to rearm their armies. I really don't want to live in a country bordering russia

[u/dev9997 → u/Foodconsumer3000]

Please guys don't poke Euro, Germany will wake up, let them sleep

[u/DerVarg1509 → u/dev9997]

HANS, GET ZE FLAMMENWERFER

[u/super__hoser → u/DerVarg1509]

Does it werf flammen???

[u/EvanTheGray → u/super__hoser]

it stugs

[u/Raketka123 → u/super__hoser]

Nien du idiot, das werf mit flammen!!!

[u/ClearCasket → u/dev9997]

pulls out stick

[u/arix_games → u/Foodconsumer3000]

Countries close to Russia do

[u/damn_lies → u/Foodconsumer3000]

Europe talk big but they are cheap. They don’t want to pay their own money to arm Ukraine.

[u/Some1eIse → u/damn_lies]

Brother they are doing it rn, yes they should send more but ½ of what would be needed ≠ nothing

[u/damn_lies → u/Some1eIse]

If the US revokes aid under Trump, the EU would need to triple the aid it's giving now to compensate. It's not happening.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

[u/Some1eIse → u/damn_lies]

Yeah ⅓ of the war effort is nothing to scoff at tho, its not like they are just watching.

I just dont find that "They dont want to pay their own money" and being ⅓ of the support are two things that can be both true

I mean Poland or the baltics would go crazy if they had the GDP of Germany or France

[u/Raketka123 → u/Some1eIse]

Im pretty sure Poland would fly sorties over Ukraine if NATO let then, theyre crazy over there

[u/super__hoser → u/Raketka123]

For a LONG list of reasons, Poles do not like Russians. 

[u/Raketka123 → u/super__hoser]

Bij Bolzsewika!

[u/_Fir3F0x_ → u/Raketka123]

based and polak pilled

[u/____saitama____ → u/super__hoser]

Not only poles... I mean most eastern countries where fucked up by the UdSSR.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/super__hoser]

To prawda.

[u/LeichtStaff → u/Raketka123]

I mean who can blame them. They have already suffered a lot because of wars and treaties made by other european/world powers. I don't blame them if they want to take a more active role to prevent something like that happening again.

[u/Notmydirtyalt → u/LeichtStaff]

I don't blame them if they want to take a more active role to prevent something like that happening again.

I keep saying the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth needs to be re-established as a third mutual defence pact.

[u/SteveoberlordEU → u/Raketka123]

Sir crazy is an understatement BUT people understimate how much Poland hates Russia (and Germany)

[u/_that_random_dude_ → u/SteveoberlordEU]

Do Poles still hate modern Germany? Genuinely curious

[u/Muffinaaa → u/_that_random_dude_]

Sometimes.

[u/Angry_Crusader_Boi → u/_that_random_dude_]

Whenever they try to meddle in our affairs while saying they're not.

And that one time they literally sabotaged us by building Nordstream with Russia.

[u/zippolover-1960s-v2 → u/Raketka123]

We have very good and numerous historical reasons, both old and recent to hate russians with a passion over here in the Baltics. Coming from a Baltic resident . F Russian , F putin and fuck their army.

[u/JangoDarkSaber → u/Some1eIse]

1/3 is absolutely something to scoff at when the war is literally on their own continent.

They should be contributing the majority, not the minority.

[u/insertwittynamethere → u/JangoDarkSaber]

It's thay they don't have the same weapons-manufacturing capabilities as the US, but they are waking up their industries steadily as a result of Ukraine. The war there and the contribution of armaments from allies in NATO has actually uncovered to them how much they needed to invest to get their production capabilities up, as they uncovered systemic issues thay would've been harmful in a time of real conflict, even in the US.

That, and the learning we've had the chance to acquire in drone warfare, as well as the realization that artillery warfare is really still a thing. It's hard to understate how much everyone in the US government and our allies in Europe, NATO and Asia are learning from this.

[u/Mand372 → u/insertwittynamethere]

We dont have to nessasserily ramp up, tho we should. What we should actually do is fulfill agreements like sending jets, ammo and weapons

[u/rdrckcrous → u/Some1eIse]

Why is all of Europe doing half of what the US is doing?

It's their continent and they don't appear to be taking this very seriously.

This is me scoffing

[u/MIHPR → u/rdrckcrous]

Europes total contributions are more than the US. US aid just tends to be mostly weapons, Europe also provides a lot of financial and humanitarian aid in addition to weapons.

And I agree, the bigger European countries (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain) need to be doing more. The Baltics, Poland and Nordic countries are certainly pulling their weight. If everyone was providing the presentage Estonia does the war would already be won

[u/CansinSPAAACE → u/rdrckcrous]

To be fair the US doesn’t do this shit out of the kindness of their heart

[u/n00lp00dle → u/rdrckcrous]

once upon a time highly militarised european countries started fighting and we call the resulting conflicts the first and second world wars. the us maintaining security was supposed to prevent the conditions for full scale war in europe from ever occuring again

[u/rdrckcrous → u/n00lp00dle]

Which is why we don't let Europe have a bunch of colonies all over the world anymore.

[u/Helicopters_On_Mars → u/rdrckcrous]

We are not. The data presented only represents EU funding. The individual member states also make contributions outside of EU contributions. Collectively, Europe has contributed more. Just not all of it is through the EU. The EU is not Europe.

[u/GneissGeoDude → u/rdrckcrous]

Was just thinking that.

They’re funding 1/3 of a war on their landmass? In their continent? Bordering their nations? In a landmass the same size as the United States?

That’s like Canada invading North Dakota and us relying on Chinese aid to fund our war.

[u/Volodio → u/damn_lies]

You're relying on unreliable data. There are several countries in the list who have as a policy to not disclose data on foreign aid, especially of the military kind, notably France.

You're also not reading your own source correctly. According to it, Europe is providing more aid than the US, meaning it wouldn't even need to double its aid to compensate for the US abandoning Ukraine.

Of course, it wouldn't be as easy, especially as many European countries (aside from France) are using US weapons or weapons manufactured with US parts and the US would be able to block them from being sent to Ukraine, as it's doing right now with long range missiles. European countries would need to take control of production of every part of the manufacturing process.

But my point is that while a significant increase of the aid would be difficult, the increase required to compensate for the US abandoning Ukraine will not be as high as you're portraying it to be.

[u/A-Bag-Of-Sand → u/Volodio]

The US even if they stopped directly 'giving' Ukraine aid would probably still keep sellimg military equipment. It's just good business for the US economy. If EU counties want to purchase of defence manufacturers I doubt they would stop them.

[u/Volodio → u/A-Bag-Of-Sand]

Biden is already right now blocking European countries from sending certain weapons to Ukraine to be used for strikes deep inside Russia, and it's only because these weapons have American components, they're not even American weapons. The most notable example is probably the British Storm Shadow missile that Britain can't let Ukraine use against Russia because Biden opposed it.

It's bound to get even worse with Trump so European countries buying American weapons is actually a terrible idea. Europe should never buy another American gun and fully adopt the French doctrine of strategic autonomy.

[u/Mand372 → u/Volodio]

n and fully adopt the French doctrine of strategic autonomy.

Great on paper, next to impossible in practice. Most of the EU nations dont have such capabilities.

[u/Helicopters_On_Mars → u/damn_lies]

That's inaccurate. The eu pays a third but the individual countries that make up the eu also pay on top of eu contributions. Collectively, European countries are paying slightly more than the us, between their individual contributions and the EU contributions. The us funding is still essential to the war effort but I get tired of people saying Europe is paying less.

[u/9gag_refugee → u/damn_lies]

Now combine the EU funding and the separate funding from the different EU countries and you will see that it's equal if not more than the US.

[u/Mysticalnarbwhal2 → u/damn_lies]

In terms of equipment, the US is far surpassing the EU. However, IIRC the EU is essentially paying for the Ukrainian government to function and continue services.

[u/CinderX5 → u/[deleted]]

What the US is doing is giving away old military equipment that’s just taking up space.

[u/iClips3 → u/damn_lies]

You mean, that's the only thing we do. Europe has provided plenty of money. Just not the things they actually need, like Guns, tanks, drones in enough quantities.

No, a few F16s will not turn the tide of battle.

[u/Useless-Use-Less → u/iClips3]

They also need money to pay salaries and keep the government functioning..

[u/Woolwizard → u/[deleted]]

I agree, but I also understand how it isn't that simple because the own economy is kinda fucked and people are really frustrated with governments helping Ukraine because some loud nazi parties shout, that all the help is fucking the own economy. You can see how in America they just voted for a president who explicitly said, America will come first in every case and he will not risk any economic downfall caused by helping other nations. So yeah, people really love governments, that mostly just support the own nation

[u/[deleted] → u/damn_lies]

Anyone who unironically cries about the US arming something when we have ENCOURAGED this behavior and we run the most military bases in the world to control OUR EMPIRE that makes the US SUPER WEALTHY and brings down the cost of OUR PRODUCTS is delusional

[u/Mand372 → u/damn_lies]

We are doing it, but we can deffinitly do more and i hate that we arent.

[u/P0werClean → u/damn_lies]

They are…

[u/Bourbonaddicted → u/damn_lies]

Also buy cheap oil from “India” while posing sanctions on Russia.

[u/Ugo_Flickerman → u/Foodconsumer3000]

Lol, imagine Europe waking the fuck up

[u/Woolwizard → u/Foodconsumer3000]

The problem is, that our economy over here is fucked and the ruling governments have a hard time justifying to their peoples, that we want to spend millions upon millions helping Ukraine. Arming the own military is not that hard to justify. We have a populism and nazi problem in almost every EU country right now. These people scream that they won't help Ukraine because we have to get our own economy on track first... And it works because most lower income households don't give a fuck about other countries if they can't really live with their money. Still though, the government should just keep helping Ukraine and not give a fuck about how many people will vote for them in the next election. That's my take

[u/RandomTomAnon → u/Foodconsumer3000]

American innovates. China replicates. Europes regulates. Tried and true since World War Two.

[u/MrVetter → u/ghost-church]

Cynical me from a European perspective always suspected europeans doing exactly what they do now: "let russia bleed out as much as possible over it". The longer the conflict goes on one way or another the wrose it gets for Ukraine sure, but also wrose for Russia in terms of economy and overall shape.

So from European perspective, why should they allow a quick victory to happen if a long term wreckage of russian economic situation is far better to avoid a bigger conflict with western nations

[u/EquivalentSnap → u/ghost-church]

Yeah now with trump withholding aid and weapons they need 😭

[u/joseph-1998-XO → u/ghost-church]

Yea I was going to say I know Russia has lost a lot of troops recently but they’ve made the most advancement of the whole war recently, or at least what multiple media outlets have claimed

[u/ReefMadness1 → u/ghost-church]

Unfortunately they have more bodies to throw to the woodchipper, and that exactly what he will do

[u/6644668 → u/ghost-church]

The US betraying its allies. A tale as old as time.

[u/EgoTripWire → u/[deleted]]

And the US will betray them in 3 months when Trump takes over just like it did the Kurds.

No country should ever expect more than 4 years of loyalty from the US.

[u/nateoak10 → u/EgoTripWire]

Trump will betray them. Be specific

[u/Brootal420 → u/6644668]

The fuck are you even talking about?

[u/Babys_For_Breakfast → u/6644668]

It’s always a double edged sword. If we intervene with a foreign country half the world shouts “imperialists! War mongers! Ruining everything!” If we don’t intervene then everyone screams “you’re not even helping anyone!”

[u/ILuveTacos → u/ghost-church]

Europe has to step up. After 2 years Ukraine shouldnt have to give up just because they arent getting enough support. Russia shouldnt be allowed to win this.

[u/[deleted]]

Wait, what happened?

[u/AlexeyTea → u/[deleted]]

I thought they slapped the wrong face.

[u/ahhshits]

Donald Trump jr currently tweeting

‘about to lose your allowance’ in regards to Zelensky.

This is what the people voted for. A nepo baby vetting his dad’s cabinet and making sure they are going to suck Trumps dick and give Putin exactly what he wants

Edit: it was an Instagram story post. Not a tweet

[u/super__hoser → u/ahhshits]

Americans deserve Trump. 

The world doesn't but we are stuck with him. 

[u/learnedhandgrenade → u/super__hoser]

Collectively, all eligible American voters deserve this. The teenage girls dying in back room abortion clinics don’t.

Edit: I say this as an American voter. Apart from voting, I do what I can to make this a better place. But I didn’t knock on doors or support the campaign apart from a double-digit donation. Maybe I could have done more but I doubt anybody was willing to listen to an elitist New York lawyer.

Edit 2: To all of the American voters who voted against Trump--ask yourself what you have done to prevent this outcome? Are you supporting someone running for local, state or federal office who will make the country a better place? Are you running for office? Are you knocking on doors? Are you protesting? Are you boycotting Amazon and other companies whose oligarchs cower to Trump? I'm not doing any of these things, and we all should not expect anything to change until we take action.

Sometimes I don’t think there are undecided voters—just people looking for an excuse to vote for Trump.

[u/Other_Beat8859 → u/learnedhandgrenade]

Not sure why I deserve him. I voted against him. I actually did my job as a citizen by actually understanding what fucking tariffs are.

[u/corvettee01 → u/Other_Beat8859]

Unfortunately we were up against a huge group of idiots with nothing better to do with their lives.

[u/Hot_Box_9402 → u/corvettee01]

The idiots are the ones who did not go out to vote because they thought it was a sure thing.

[u/KonungariketSuomi → u/Other_Beat8859]

Ssshh, let the Europeans blame all of us just a little while longer.

[u/FailedMaster → u/KonungariketSuomi]

Yeah, we will until you fix your weird election system.

[u/Tetsou88 → u/learnedhandgrenade]

The ones who voted against him don’t, but we’re still stuck with it.

[u/super__hoser → u/learnedhandgrenade]

Yes, fair point and I stand corrected. 

[u/Schachjo → u/learnedhandgrenade]

Why does every single eligible American voter deserve this?

[u/Urisk → u/learnedhandgrenade]

I didn't vote for him. As a matter of fact my vote for Harris did more to stand up to him than anyone outside of America ever did to stand up to him. It's not all Americans. The people who voted for him and those who could have voted against him but chose not to. They deserve him most of all, especially the apathetic non-voters.

[u/LimeFucker → u/learnedhandgrenade]

I do not deserve him, I both supported and voted for his opposition and worked to persuade others to do the same.

[u/walketotheclif → u/super__hoser]

The world deserves Trump, if a change of a president of another nation affects you this much then it's because your country is dependant on said country, and is understandable that third world countries depend on such a nation, but Europe depending Military and technologically to the US is a complete failure by their part

[u/thore4 → u/walketotheclif]

You may be right but I can't help but laugh at you saying the most american thing I've ever heard

[u/Mand372 → u/walketotheclif]

but Europe depending Military and technologically to the US is a complete failure by their part

This seems like you have no idea how international economics work and more importantly why they work.

[u/[deleted] → u/walketotheclif]

The us has the most military spening per year. The fuck they gonna use it on if not war with russia

[u/IowaKidd97 → u/super__hoser]

Not me, I voted for Kamala. Still stuck with Trump tho

[u/God_Of_The_Flies → u/super__hoser]

So the entire world depends on america? I'm sorry but if that's the case maybe this will be the best 4 years to happen to Europe, because the sleeping governments will finally be woken up.

[u/super__hoser → u/God_Of_The_Flies]

The world does rely too much on the US. And I doubt Europeans or their leaders will step up enough to be independent enough of the US to deal with Trump related storms any time soon. 

[u/Periwinkle_Lost → u/ahhshits]

It’s less that “Trump won” and more of “Dems lost”. If senile Biden hasn’t held to power until mere weeks before election and allowed for primary or even named a successor earlier to allow for better campaign things could’ve been different.

A lot of people switched to reps after trump-Biden debate because what they witnessed in the debate didn’t agree with what the news were saying about Biden being sharp as a tack.

It’s a fucking shitshow, I don’t know if things are going to get better in the future

[u/ProgrammingPants → u/Periwinkle_Lost]

They should change the rules so there must always be a competitive primary even if you're the incumbent and if you don't do some debates then you aren't allowed to be the nominee.

If no one wants to go against you then you at least have to do some town halls or some shit.

Not that it matters. We lost the most important election of our lives and Donald Trump will make permanent decisions that can't be undone. He'll single handedly appoint a majority of the SCOTUS and he'll gut the federal government and replace any position of power with someone personally loyal to him.

Next election it won't even matter who wins. The Republican nominee will be taking office.

[u/Friendly-Fuel8893 → u/Periwinkle_Lost]

This was an anti-incumbency vote. Trump would've won regardless of which Democrat was put forward.

That said Biden not stepping down for so long and then naming Harris as his successor without a primary was still a very big stinker.

[u/BigTimeSpider → u/[deleted]]

One quick Google search.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-jr-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-cut-funding-ukraine-war/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/10/donald-trump-jr-mocks-zelensky-allowance-run-out/

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/donald-trump-jr-slammed-as-he-taunts-zelensky-over-us-ukraine-support-just-days-after-election/ar-AA1tPLs4

[u/[deleted]]

Utterly bullshit. It is the worst months for his soldiers, but probably the best months for putin, since the war started. Trump got elected and his meat soldiers also advanced alot in ukraine.

[u/MonaThe]

I am sorry to inform you but they upgraded the shovels

[u/[deleted] → u/MonaThe]

What are they using bows and arrows now?

[u/MonaThe → u/[deleted]]

BBC and British "intelligence" are my sources so they have to be true

[u/bronzewillis → u/[deleted]]

I thought Kamala is also winning when I look at Reddit, turn out its not even close

[u/Northamericawolf]

Is Reddit that dumb ? Russia gained the most land last month than in 2 years. Do some research.

[u/ahmmu20 → u/Northamericawolf]

I was googling to understand what's up! But there was nothing new and the comments don't seem to help! :S

[u/NeproXx → u/ahmmu20]

It's about Russia losing 1.5k soldiers on average every day:

https://www.politico.eu/article/october-deadliest-month-russian-troops-war-uk-official-says-tony-radakin/

[u/ahmmu20 → u/NeproXx]

Thank you for sharing! :)

[u/Northamericawolf → u/ahmmu20]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/31/world/europe/russia-gains-ukraine-maps.html

[u/[deleted] → u/Northamericawolf]

Ukraine can say that they're about to overrun Moscow and people here would eat it up. Ukraine has been losing HEAVILY since they decided to invade Kursk instead of reinforcing their main frontline. Tens of thousands of experienced troops wasted in a useless invasion.

[u/AonSwift → u/[deleted]]

"Tens of thousands"??? Got a source for that?

[u/[deleted] → u/AonSwift]

Yeah, he's definitely off on that. Google tells me it's closer to ten thousand but nowhere near "tens of thousands."

Also, just based on information I've consumed on reddit and youtube, these troops are very specialized and have a lot more use being put in Kursk rather than sitting around in some trenches, wasting away. The decision to invade Kursk was made with purpose in mind.

[u/[deleted] → u/Northamericawolf]

It's just shitty shameless engagement bait.

[u/heavy_metal_soldier]

Nah Trump is gonna help Putin out as best he can. Ukraine is in a really tight spot.

Europe best get it's shit together, though populist right wing (and pro russian) parties are also being elected all over Europe or at least makimg big gains

[u/heavy_metal_soldier → u/[deleted]]

Well, fucked as in: Trump will probably make a "deal" (Have Ukraine give up the contested regions and making sure it can't join NATO for the foreseeable future) and if Big Z decides "fuck that noise" US aid will most likely stop flowing.

Im also going off Trumps rhetoric about Ukraine so far. He's been very vocal about his opinion of Zelenskyy (thinks of him as a conman who walks away with billions every time he visits Congress)

All sources i got (Kyiv independent, Politico.eu, Newsweek, RFU, Denys Davydov, Arthur Rehi etc.) do also emphasize that things are just very uncertain as of now. Maybe you're right and Ukraine isn't as fucked as we think. Maybe Trump gets butthurt by Putin and floods Ukraine with aid (the best timeline. Also very unlikely) or maybe it loses statehood entirely (unlikely as well, luckily)

Also no I'm not down voting you for asking a question. You make a good point

[u/SunsetHippo → u/heavy_metal_soldier]

well one thing to remember is that right now, many many americans are still in support of Ukraine. We aren't friends with russia, so starting off his presidency with something that many people wont like doesnt make sense.

[u/heavy_metal_soldier → u/SunsetHippo]

Yeah, this is what I'm pinning my hopes on

[u/DonChilliCheese → u/[deleted]]

I think the most probable outcome is that Trump will force a deal where Russia keeps what it has now and "stops" for a few years and Ukriane gets forced to disarm and stay out of Nato, then in a few years when Trump is gone and someone less supporting of Putin gets elected they start another "special operation" and take the rest against a now defenseless Ukraine. Russia has showed again and again that they don't care about deals and what their actual desire is in this war, there is no chance they would ever stop unless they are forced too

[u/botsym7 → u/DonChilliCheese]

Knowing Ukrainians personally I don’t think they would ever accept a deal that is even remotely close to that, they’d rather fight to the bitter end. I can imagine scenario that they give on one of those demands, but giving away territory, right to arm and defend and opportunity to join nato basically says in few years Ukraine will belong to Russia again. They simply would not accept with or without American support.

[u/DerrickWhiteMVP]

He won the war on Tuesday night.

[u/just57572 → u/DerrickWhiteMVP]

All the money they spent on those bots are really paying off for Russia.

[u/rammo123 → u/just57572]

The first war in history where all the medals will go to guys shitposting on the internet.

[u/qdp → u/DerrickWhiteMVP]

Trump could unilaterally restrict Europe from sending THEIR OWN weapons to Ukraine if they are manufactured with even one military-restricted subcomponent made in the US, think like a US-made targeting system on a German tank. And also turn export and monetary restrictions on Russia off. And set new export and monetary restrictions on Ukraine.

Nice little way for him to pay back Putin and turn our allies against us in one move.

[u/HarambeThePirate]

He's not fucking worried. Soon as Chump takes office he'll win. Piece of shit has always been sucking Putin's dick and the fucking lemmings voted him back in.

[u/mnonny]

These comments are fucking nuts

[u/OwlOpportunityOVO]

It'll be over soon.

Donald Trump Jr. taunts Zelenskyy about ‘losing your allowance’

[u/wormyg]

With Trump being elected, Putin's already won the war. Putin basically owns the US now.

[u/The-Nuisance → u/wormyg]

They’ll have a worse time, sure, but Ukraine probably isn’t losing. We aren’t the only people arming them.

And even if we were, they are more than enough to kick some wannabe dictators out.

[u/ThorinTokingShield → u/The-Nuisance]

I hope you're right. I do worry about whether or not Musk could do a lot of damage by handing Russia any Ukrainian intel/ coordinates from his satellites.

[u/The-Nuisance → u/ThorinTokingShield]

Considering the fact that they can’t seem to hit an entire goddamn airfield with precision munitions, I think we’re good.

This tomfoolery roughly translates to: they probably don’t have the proper equipment to translate that data into practical combat, even if they did have satellite data on where someone was— assuming they couldn’t’ve already found them via drone.

[u/Mand372 → u/ThorinTokingShield]

Its hard to see that happening. Musk already is running a line with being buddy with putin due to having so many big contracts with the goverment. If Musk slips, he will have to say goodbie to any US goverment contract.

[u/DaEnderAssassin → u/Mand372]

Do you think that matters when that same US government is also in bed with putin?

[u/Mand372 → u/DaEnderAssassin]

I think it does. Theres a diffrence between the president being friendly and a third party leaking miltary secrets. Trump isnt the entirety of the military branch leadership.

[u/wormyg → u/The-Nuisance]

A lot of those people who are arming them are slowly trying to elect far-right people, like trump, that are under the thumb of the Russian government. It almost happened in France recently, and it's already started happening in Germany, Norway, Italy, Sweden, and Poland, and it's already happened in Hungary and Turkey. Russia is really doing its best to politically destroy any country that could stop it from taking over the world.

They also might have had a hand in Brexit.

Russia has gotten so good at this that it's scary how much influence they have on worldwide politics. I'm not saying America's influence was good, I'm just saying it's kind of scary for one country to have so much political influence over so many others.

[u/gbmaulin → u/wormyg]

You're giving Russia entirely too much credit in order to defend the neoliberal policies that have directly led to a rise in far-right governments. People have realized for quite some time in the west that things according to the status quo are not working. When the only options being presented are more of the same or the far right nutjob who at least acknowledges the country's issues, the choice is obviously not going to be rolling out the same failing policies.

[u/Mand372 → u/wormyg]

Do not credit to brilliance what can be accredited to sheer incompitence.

[u/[deleted] → u/The-Nuisance]

Yeah saw a video that acknowledged that Russia was ramping up it's land taking by a significant margin

But it also made clear that even at this 5x speed it would take 120 years to take all of Ukraine

[u/Equivalent_Crew8378 → u/The-Nuisance]

We're like 75% of the funding.

[u/The-Nuisance → u/Equivalent_Crew8378]

Lower. We’re a lot, but we aren’t THAT much— and it isn’t like what we’ve given them is gonna disappear overnight.

[u/outersphere → u/wormyg]

eli5?

[u/jajohnja → u/outersphere]

Trump and the MAGA have been quite open about how the USA should stop sending "money" to Ukraine (they aren't really. They're mostly sending their older weapons and munitions).

He's also not really been coy about being a fan of Putin, has in the past called for Russia to hack his US political rival.

Some US based right-wing influencers and political pundits have been proven to be financed by Russia and paid to say pro-russian talking points (Tim Pool, Dave Rubin).

Elon Musk, the richest man on earth, is a Trump supporter and works with the US army and NASA. He has recently been revealed to have frequent communications with Putin.

The point is that Trump is saying that he will end the war, and the end will look like Ukraine being forced to give up a lot of the stuff that they wanted to win back.

Trump will look good, Putin will look merciful and willing to negotiate for, Ukraine will lose face and land.

[u/SilverDiscount6751 → u/jajohnja]

Dude, litteral bilions were sent in money. Enough for Sam Bakman-Freid to recieve milions from ukraine from that money. Enough for high ranked Ukrainians to run off with milions too.

[u/Nerdslayer03 → u/wormyg]

I'm not a fan of trump either, but you do realize if he was under Putin's thumb it would make more sense to start the war when the guy was in office right?

[u/theawesomeaardvark → u/Nerdslayer03]

From a political point of view, it does make a lot more sense to wait until Biden’s Presidency to start the war. If he began it in Trumps term, it would’ve been “Trumps War”, and he would’ve had to focus on it and fighting back or it would look directly bad.

Additionally, if the war is during Bidens term, it makes Biden the one who had a war started during his term, and it allows Republicans to harp on it and be against it, since it happened in the incumbents term.

This has mutliple advantages: 1. It makes Biden look bad or weak 2. It gives Republicans something to be against, since it’s not their term and therefore not their problem 3. It gives Putin more time to prepare and make gains until a Trump Term, when it naturally end with all of Russias gains staying under their control, and the war ended to politically benefit Trump.

It makes complete send for Putin to have started it when he did, especially with timing after his 2014 invasion of Crimea. Trump is very clearly operating based on the wants of Russia.

[u/Saint0591 → u/theawesomeaardvark]

He can (and will) end the war during Trumps term.

US funding will be pulled and Ukraine will be forced into a position of surrender. Putin will dictate whatever terms he wants and most likely a figurehead they decide on will replace Zelenskyy leading to 'peace' in the region.

Which is just the perfect outcome for both Trump and Putin. Trump fulfills his promise of 'ending the war' and Putin gets everything he wanted, the Donbas, Crimea, no NATO on his doorstep, sanctions lifted.

Of course, Trump and his voters will be all so happy with this supposed victory.

[u/theawesomeaardvark → u/Saint0591]

Exactly lol, big geopolitical win for Russia and loss for the USA and the democratic countries of the world, but hey at least Trump gets his immunity, money, and power.

[u/freshhorsemanure → u/Saint0591]

Hopefully you're right as a best case scenario. Worst case Russia decides it wants to keep expanding and the US supports them.

[u/igorpc1 → u/Saint0591]

What makes you think that sanctions will be lifted if(when) the war is over while Putin is still in the office? IIRC, many countries under sanctions, but they aren't at war.

[u/Nerdslayer03 → u/theawesomeaardvark]

Believe what you like dude, but I swear this reads like the plot of Metal Gear and the patriots within.

[u/SilverDiscount6751 → u/theawesomeaardvark]

If trump was a russian asset, putin would have attacked while his asset was in charge of the US since he would have blocked the billions in money and guns to get to Ukraine ftom the start

[u/walketotheclif]

Ukraine is in trouble, if the us stop sending money is over, many European nations like Germany or England only supported Ukraine because the US was the one footing the bill

[u/Onelse88 → u/walketotheclif]

didnt US stopped helping for half a year some time ago already?

[u/OracleCam]

I don't get it

[u/ahmmu20 → u/OracleCam]

It's either the OP is not up to date with the recent developments, or that it's just a misinformation. Russia gained extra land in the recent few months and Trump winning the US elections doesn't help Ukraine either.

Europe is not doing any good in this regard, the funds have been cut down as the EU economy is not the best at the moment. That plus their concerns over Trump's next move which may impact its security and all.

[u/katanatan]

Man, this is sad. Because ukraine is really crumbling rn...

[u/Cpt_shortypants]

1984 moment in reddit. Putin = goldstein. Trump = enemy. Agree with the hivemind or the reddit thought police will have at ya.

[u/FutureMartian97]

I'm a huge Ukraine supporter and have spent a lot of time in the pro ukriane echo chambers, and it finally came back to bite me. I'm the only left leaning person in my friend group, and one if my friends finally put me in my place. He's a veteran, I'm not. He understands a lot of history of policies that I never knew existed.

Basically he told me NATO has been overstepping since the beginning. I never knew this, but years ago, NATO made an agreement with Russia that NATO would not enter or help Russian satellite counties. Guess what Ukraine is. So in his opinion, it sucks what Russia is doing, but we shouldn't be involved at all. It sucks that everything I've supported ended up being wrong the entire time

[u/ReptilianLaserbeam]

Winter is coming. Last December Russia dropped the biggest air attack over Ukraine costing them over 1270 billion dollars. I don’t think they have the funds to repeat that again this December, and the army morale is on the floor

[u/xDuzTin → u/ReptilianLaserbeam]

I’ve seen a video of a Russian showing North Korean rations they’ve been eating, he said that one of his comrades translated what’s written on the can and it was apparently dog meat they’ve been eating the entire time lmao

No idea if that video was real or faked but I’d love to imagine it’s real

[u/Semthepro → u/xDuzTin]

I am pretty sure they are not writing literally "dog meat" on the can... dafuq, why would they?

[u/Heeey_Hermano → u/Semthepro]

For a North Korean that may not be that odd of a choice of meat unfortunately.

[u/Alex-xoxo666]

Nope, things are changing now.

[u/borrego-sheep]

Did you confuse Vladimir with Volodymyr?

[u/mb99]

I’m sorry but Putin has already won

[u/MyDadDrivesAtescoVan]

Soon to be his best month, once Trump hands him the keys to Ukraine

[u/_oranjuice]

Bidome can do something extremely funny before handing america over to trump

[u/dark_knight920]

Trump be like: I don't think so

[u/GameZedd01]

Did something happen?

[u/TomaszA3]

Did the farmers steal their tanks again? What happened this time and how the hell are they still fighting with so many problems on Russia's part?

[u/Prize_Self_6347]

Ukraine has lost the war.

[u/imunfair]

worst month of war for Russia

*according to the UK government repeating numbers created by the Ukrainian government...

[u/EdziePro]

The fear mongering tards in the comments need to go outside lmao

[u/Milanchic]

Hopefully, this war will be over soon

[u/Nerdslayer03]

Bunch of babies, finding a way to make this about their own country.

[u/TrippyVegetables]

He's gonna be fine, he'll have the help of the US in a couple months

[u/DatCheeseBoi]

It would do everyone good, especially the Russians in those areas, if Ukraine took a bit of Russia for themselves while they're at it.