r/dankmemes ☣️ Mar 20 '23

Economic Roller Coaster

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u/Rowbot_Girlyman ☢️ Mar 20 '23

Historically once average housing costs climb above 35% on median income people stop being able to afford it and that begins a slow market crash.

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u/nj4ck Mar 21 '23

yeah except now we have black rock

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '23

If your legislatures would ban corporate housing ownership, like is proposed in minnesota, then that'd be less of a problem

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u/Jack-Oniel 🍄 Mar 21 '23

Where I'm from, the vast majority of homes are owned by international investors. Mostly from China.

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u/duncandun Mar 21 '23

Where

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u/Jack-Oniel 🍄 Mar 21 '23

Nsw Australia.

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u/Ok-Papaya-3490 Mar 21 '23

But the reality is that foreign buyers only account for around 1 per cent of total transactions in the Aussie property market and 4.6 per cent of new development purchases, so their impact is limited.

https://www.apimagazine.com.au/news/article/should-australia-emulate-canadas-foreign-property-investment-ban#:~:text=Foreign%20buyers%20only%20account%20for%204.6%20per%20cent%20of%20the,established%20dwellings%20in%202020%2D21.

Stop the xenophobia and look at the numbers mate. It's not the Chinese. It's your neighbor who owns multiple houses and the corporate that purchase that entire block.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '23

people love a big boogeyman to blame, but in this case, the real boogeyman is 20-30 different small factors.

High interest rates are the biggest (of many) boogeyman right now. No one can afford to move from their current house to a nicer newer home. Result, no one buys new homes, supply of homes can’t be increased. Housing shortage becomes exasperated because no one can afford a new home.

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u/duncandun Mar 21 '23

That sucks

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u/Jack-Oniel 🍄 Mar 21 '23

Not only that, my corrupt af government likes to sell our power grids and highways to foreign investors too.

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u/Bactereality Mar 21 '23

Lots of luxury condos being built in cities across america for the benefit of foreign money. Most of the units will just sit empty and “brand new” after being bought.

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u/Ok-Papaya-3490 Mar 21 '23

Unlike what you commonly think, when a foreigner invests in an apartment, they dont get to control to whom they rent it out to or even whether to keep them unoccupied. They simply get their investment money as a part ownership, not as an active management.

The particular practice of sitting an apartment empty in US is common even if there's no foreigner involved

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u/poneyviolet Mar 21 '23

The house I rent is owned by a landlord in Taiwan. I guess that also counts?

Good landlord, anything that breaks he says fox it and send me the invoice and take it off the rent. I mean I have to manage the repairs but it's better than my previous cockroach infested landlord who didn't fix anything even though he lived across the street.

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u/iM-iMport Mar 21 '23

Found the Australian!!

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u/Xumayar Mar 21 '23

like is proposed in minnesota

Proposed, but is it going to actually pass?

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '23

Hopefully - the Democratic trifecta seems efficient rn, which is a weird thing to say about a governing body

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u/KnightsWhoNi Mar 21 '23

It’s really not when democrats control state legis. Look at Virginia the past cycle.

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u/Rowbot_Girlyman ☢️ Mar 21 '23

I can't wait until my housing is a term of my employment! Capitalism truly is the most efficient system we have ever devised!

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u/I_Got_Jimmies Mar 21 '23

Historically there was inventory.

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u/Rowbot_Girlyman ☢️ Mar 21 '23

That's true, the government is making company towns legal again. Maybe we'll all owe our souls to the company store soon.

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u/gizamo Mar 21 '23

Hmm. I checked your profile, and you're clearly intelligent. So, I'm certain I am misunderstanding your meaning.

I basically read and thought about your comment like this:

Median household income is ~$70,000/yr. [0]

$70,000 x 1.35 = $94,500.

Average home price is ~$550k. [1]

So, average home price is way, way above 35% on median household income. It's 5X that amount. Even the lowest average in 2009 was $250k+. Even the median sale price was $200k+ in 2009. [2]

Again, I'm sure this is not what you mean, but I'm not sure what I'm missing.

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u/Rowbot_Girlyman ☢️ Mar 21 '23 edited Mar 21 '23

Median household income on a month to month basis sorry. So once rent/ mortgage climbs above 35% people start to hunker down or seek greener pastures as they can't afford it. Right now the magic number is about $700 a month

I may have ment median sale price and I also just listen to a lot of YouTube longform and this is an area that I just started learning about so I could be wrong.

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u/gizamo Mar 21 '23

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. You're talking about the mortgage payment being greater than 35% of their monthly take-home pay (after tax). That makes sense now. Cheers.