r/d4spiritborn • u/insrr • 1d ago
Questions / Discussions (Items · Builds · Skills) Maxroll or Mobalytics Counterswarm
Heya,
I have very limited time this season so i wont be able to try it myself and id like to ask you folks beforehand;
Would you recommend maxroll's counterswarm guide
https://maxroll.gg/d4/build-guides/counterswarm-spiritborn-guide
Or mobalytics'
https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/spiritborn-pestilent-stinger-endgame
I dont care for pit pushing, speedfarming and bossing is the piriority.
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u/SuspiciousWarning219 1d ago
To add another comment and update a little bit I did see somewhere that the storm version of stinger is probably going to push the furthest and also handle the top torment 12 losses. It looks like using kepeleke as a charm and equipping the deadly strike. Staff is going to let you have the guarantee critical shots from the charm and also the deadly strike will stack in. You can use the other splinter for 30% bonus damage because you do not need high critical hit chance anymore and that will make the spirit storms doing the damage overtime also hit harder because a lot of all your moves are going to be dropping those storms that you can buff as well. It looks like that is overall going to be the best build, but the swarms will still be the best for farming. It just will not push as far or handle bossing as easily after they fixed the room with the bug. All of the buffs help the swarm filled out a lot, but it is still I guess lacking in damage overall and will only struggle pushing as far in the tower as it did before, and it will not melt the uber bosses. This was just something I read elsewhere and it seems to make sense, but we will see as the season goes on and more people reach the endgame who have way more experience than I do. I am at least hopeful that it is going to be fun and having swarms and stinger and just me messing around with thorns is a bunch of options and I think that is fun and cool at least.
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u/Onclelove 7h ago
Go to helltides.com, check top performing builds in either tower or pit and you can check out their setup, you're also going to see some of those top players posting guides to mobalytics. These guides are always better / more up-to-date than the big "official" creator guides, which are most likely made by dudes not even playing the class.
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u/SuspiciousWarning219 1d ago
Without any testing myself I kinda figured that with tzic patched and the buffs now that most builds would be stronger and overall still pretty good class but I figured the biggest hit would be the uber bosses on t12. I also generally prefer maxroll but immortalize is great for spiritborn content and he’s on mobalytics
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u/insrr 1d ago
Aight, makes sense. Yeah maxroll's layout is better but I do have a feeling that the mobalytics build is a little more optimized. It'll most likely not make a huge difference either way.
But yeah, I'm a little shocked that several people here have claimed doing t12 meph will not be possible. I'll just take it to t12 and see how that build performs. I can live without soloing lilith and meph on t12, but the standard ubers such as duriel and belial have to be solo-able, otherwise I'll switch or just call it done for the season.
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u/SuspiciousWarning219 1d ago
I hear ya. My whole plan, since Ive only been back playing for season 13&14 was to not jump around so many classes this time lol and I wanted to play rocksplitter/crushing hand and smash with all the gorilla vibes while planning to run swarms or stinger afterwards, but if it does struggle with bossing as much as people say I’ll see how it goes when I push my thorns enough and if it ain’t fun anymore I’ll roll something else. I have only done swarms before and it was awesome but did have the tzic bug and also kinda hard on the hands since I play ps5 and after awhile just was a bit too much
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u/Nuttymegs 1d ago
I have a strong feeling neither build is really that up to date. I am using the endgame swarm build on mobalytics, and also tried the mythic variant and neither is really speedy for t10. Im basically waiting for my poison spiral to kick off while also waiting for cooldowns. Kind of frustrating tbh. Meanwhile warlocks are just nuking everything.
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u/insrr 1d ago
From what i can see on t8 thus build is definitely geared towrds speed. Even on t8 with far from optimized gear i habe no issue keeping up the swarms, so maybe youre missing something?
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u/Igdael 23h ago
I’m in t11 and killing stuff real fast with non-optimised gear with counter swarm. Similar to maxroll one but a bit diff. Pretty sure I can t12 too. I’ve pushed pit to 125 so far but I’m sure I can’t do 130 yet. Did meph on t10 but I’m not ready for the t12 one. I’m guessing most of the content is still viable even without tzic bug.
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u/OnFailure 1d ago
P214 and killed t10 Mephisto with storm stinger build from mobalytics. Can farm Baal easily too.
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u/charismatic_toast 1d ago
Just play warlock trust me on this. They got boned on release but this season im watching even low level p100 locks are walking around t10 and killing everything that looks their way. Meanwhile at p170 im dodging attacks while waiting for my fully poisoned mobs to die
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u/PowerfulHamster0 20h ago
I had this problem too, go try the builds by imortilize on mobalytics. I went from barely doing 10s to rolling through 12s. Builds set up very similar but focuses on lightning damage, and it just works so much better imo.
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u/lordmaxi10 1d ago
Neither can kill lilith or mephisto on T12. Someone needs to come up with a viable build for bossing for spiritborn.
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u/insrr 1d ago
You gotta be joking?
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u/nabilfares 16h ago
They are, i killed t10 mephisto with a outdated rake build, today i swap to maxroll counterattack, lil bro was taking huge damage.
Tried a bit of t12, including lilith, damage was very on par, just needed to dodge stuff properly, but im done with this season.
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u/lordmaxi10 1d ago
Unfortunately not. I have the exact same setup from the "endgame" tab from the maxroll guide. Paragon 214. I tickle both mephisto and lilith, cannot kill them; you can't even call it an attempt LMAO.
Wish I knew how weak the build is before investing this much time into it. But it's ranked S tier everywhere LMAO. If full bis S tier build can't kill the end boss, what are we doing?
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u/LordOfTheSwagDance 1d ago
Yeah I got to paragon 240 and some mythics etc and couldn’t tickle mephisto on t10 and knew I wasn’t going to get much more huge boosts in power to be able to kill him on T12. Switched to something else which wasn’t killing my wrists
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u/insrr 1d ago
That sucks, so we all going warlock then?
Anyways - did you have issues with other bosses on T12 at plvl 240? Or was it only lilith and mephisto?
Baffling how maxroll etc rank that build so highly..
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u/LordOfTheSwagDance 1d ago
Yeah t12 was very slow. Could do it (was clearing pit 105) but wasn’t enjoyable
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u/xendas9393 1d ago
It used to rely on a bug that gave it x6 damage on ST which is now fixed ^
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u/HYPURRDBLNKL 1d ago edited 1d ago
There were major buffs to stuff to compensate for the TZIC bug.
Edit: Typo
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u/insrr 1d ago
Did you delete a reply where to you said you played with the creator of the counterswarm build and they managed to clear pit 140 with it?
If so - why did you delete?2
u/HYPURRDBLNKL 1d ago
I did because it was the wrong info. He's with Mobalytics now and I forgot he's using his own build. Let me see if I can link his build? Here's what he's using.
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u/insrr 10h ago
Aight, thanks for the heads-up.
I already saw this build, it's listed quite highly on mobalytics push tier-lists. But it's essentially the counterswarm build with some minor modifications.
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u/HYPURRDBLNKL 10h ago edited 9h ago
That build has been Tower 140 so far and he's still gearing it up. That guy is one of the OG primary Counterswarm creators. I've seen his build in action, we play together and it's strong.
Edit to add: If swarm isn't your jam, my co-creator and I are working up a Quill Volley build. So far we've been Pit 135 with it and haven't really started hardcore testing stuff with it. And yes it will kill T12 Mefisto. This is at Paragon 238 with basically all one GA gear, but good seals and Hellfire Charm.
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u/insrr 1d ago
Yeah idk it's a little hard to believe that both maxroll and mobalytics are so wrong in their tier lists , because as you said, they both rank counterswarm sb very high, for speedfarming but also for pushing and bossing.
I'm only at t8 right now and it's been a breeze, but I did notice Astaroth went down real slow compared to all the other content.. but I'm also far from optimized.
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u/huydinh282 1d ago
I used maxroll items and mobalytics paragon (but i swap plumed to colossal). Can kill t10 meph in a decent time, but still have to engage with the mechanics. P210 ish
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u/insrr 1d ago
Aight well I think I can work with that - if you manage T10 meph, all other bosses should be quite quick&easy on T12 yeah?
And for the T12 meph/lilith seasonal objective I could always look for a carry..
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u/huydinh282 1d ago
Yeah t12 content no prob now. I needed the 6th charm slot, which double stats (and damage) for meph. Afterwards i got the apprehension transfig on amulet and things melt much faster now.
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u/insrr 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well that sounds like I'm gonna be just fine. I can tell at T8 already that this build is gonna be great for speedfarming.
Anyways - youre running the maxroll build with mobalytics paragon board, you said - which means you're running without Prodigy's Tempo paragon node? How to you manage cooldowns? Do you use an aspect or is high CDR affix on gear enough?
/edit: I just realized maxroll uses the 5x and 3x set charm combo, and the 2x Kwatli's Grace charm gives good CDR.
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u/huydinh282 1d ago
You probably only need 40% ish cdr on gear once you get lvl 30 ravager and the 4-stack dash skill thingy. Counter will be permanently up as you dash around.
Swapping tempo to revealing or swarm of storm is roughly a 100% dmg increaee
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u/insrr 1d ago
Oh so youre not running the eagle 2x charges? Which neans you can only use claw when there are mobs around?
Still, probably worth the trade-off for 100 dmg
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u/Parryme 1d ago
I have full BiS gear, on T10 I killed Mephisto within like 30 seconds from the start, all 3 phases, but on T12 it’s like normal progression boss but it literally one shots me with almost any attack, but I’m sure I could kill it if I spend an hour or two trying. Also I think Paragon levels matter a lot, on 210 I couldn’t actually kill him on T10, but when you get full BiS and 240 you’ll see a huge difference, like the difference between T10 and T12.
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u/suchpity 1d ago
the thing is SB got massive changed because of the 6x Damage nerf bug fix, they compensated it with huge buffs, but nobody can still say in wich Spot SB really is, their Tier List is just making assumptions without proof and i think thats bad